suburbs are now the new ghettos (equal, suburban, crime, development)
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Safety is an opinion, my opinion is that much of Chicago is as safe as the suburbs of Chicago. Your level of safety could very well be different than mine.
But that's wrong, the stats show otherwise. Whether you (or anyone feels) feels that way is irrelevant to whether Chicago is as safe as its suburbs.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
Bingo, when someone tells you a place is safe or not, that is someone's opinion. Crime stats tell you the probability a crime could happen but they do not tell you a place is safe due to that being an opinion.
But that's wrong, the stats show otherwise. Whether you (or anyone feels) feels that way is irrelevant to whether Chicago is as safe as its suburbs.
The last sentence doesn't make any sense.
How can an opinion be wrong about safety, I have felt safe in the suburbs and I have felt just as safe walking around the neighborhoods in Chicago, therefore my opinion is Chicago is just as safe as the suburbs. Your opinion could be different.
How can an opinion be wrong about safety, I have felt safe in the suburbs and I have felt just as safe walking around the neighborhoods in Chicago, therefore my opinion is Chicago is just as safe as the suburbs. Your opinion could be different.
But (most) neighborhoods in Chicago have more crime than suburbs, so your perception is wrong. What either of our opinions are doesn't matter.
I've felt safe in plenty of city neighborhoods. However, I was aware that many have more crime than the average suburb. Whatever my feelings, I knew it wasn't quite as safe (though the difference was often small).
But (most) neighborhoods in Chicago have more crime than suburbs, so your perception is wrong. What either of our opinions are doesn't matter.
I've felt safe in plenty of city neighborhoods. However, I was aware that many have more crime than the average suburb. Whatever my feelings, I knew it wasn't quite as safe (though the difference was often small).
And yet you can't figure out how safety is a subjective term? Just because a suburb has less crime doesn't mean someone will feel safe in that suburb.
Forget it Nei. Arguing facts is useless. Some people are logical and deal in facts and logical constructs, others are emotional and deal in feelings. Feelings are relevant too as nybbler points out. A lot of "seedy looking" neighborhoods aren't really that dangerous, but they'll fail to attract people just the same. Perception matters just as much as reality.
A girl was once raped and killed jogging one morning in the suburbs I grew up with, horrible things can happen anywhere. And yes, women view safety different than men which is why I try to think how my wife would view a place before I take her there for any reason.
You missed the point! Sure "horrible things can happen anywhere". But the rape I described happened in Chicago, in a very-low income neighborhood. (Is that PC enough?) The school of nursing revised its policy so that student nurses traveled in pairs after that.
Why does "feeling safe" matter? What matter is whether it is safe.
No, I can't. Safety is not based off of people's perceptions, but how much crime actually happens.
The probability of crime is what you can learn with how much crime actually happens. Safety is totally based off of people's perceptions, but it is common for people to confuse the two.
Forget it Nei. Arguing facts is useless. Some people are logical and deal in facts and logical constructs, others are emotional and deal in feelings. Feelings are relevant too as nybbler points out. A lot of "seedy looking" neighborhoods aren't really that dangerous, but they'll fail to attract people just the same. Perception matters just as much as reality.
Correct, there is a difference between crime probability which is based on fact and whether or not some place feels safe which is based on emotion.
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