Houston vs. Dallas (Austin, Fort Worth, Arlington: drivers, small town, developer)
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This is great but you haven't mentioned any REAL DIFFERENCE between the two. Subjective opinions are nice but don't clarify anything. I think people are looking for SOLID and CLEAR differences like economy, weather, activities, natural beauty, people, culture, experiences, etc.. not just saying "I dont like it" or "this one is better" we need something specific that will really give someone and idea about how different they are.
Perhaps because the difference between the two isnt really that great. Simply that people from Houston love to hate Dallas and people from Dallas love to hate Houston. It seems thats what its all about. They arent all that different. I will say that Dallas personally reminds me more of Atlanta than Houston, but its still not that different from Houston.
I would like to play a game where One person mentions an "area of town" or a "thing to do" or natural feature or cultural or economic type thing and see if the other city can match it or beat it.
OK I will start with Houstons Discovery Green Park?? What answer does Dallas have for that??
Arlington has its old decrepit strip malls with a few Chinese/Vietnamese businesses scattered here & there. Parking lots crumbling to bits, the whole shebang. Pioneer Blvd. in Arlington is a joke compared to Bellaire in Houston. Heck, even Veterans Memorial or Scarsdale (Houston's other two & much smaller suburban style Vietnamese enclaves) are better than Arlington.
Houston has a MUCH larger Chinese & Vietnamese presence than D/FW. The only thing Dallas wins on for Asian population is its large Korean population, & even then they don't live in Dallas they live in the burbs & Houston also has its own K-town even though its Korean population is almost half of D/FW's.
Houston is more international than DFW, no doubt. However the overall foreign born Asian population between the two isnt really that great. Theres about 15,000 more Asians in Houston vs. Dallas. Also, even though the Houston area definately does have more Vietnamese than Dallas, DFW still has the 4th largest Vietnamese community in the country. Thats nothing to sneeze at.
As for the diversity issue, I had always thought Houston was and still think it is more diverse. However someone might want to explain why Dallas ended up on the following list and Houston didnt. Of the major cities in the US, on NYC, Honolulu, Dallas, Chicago and San Jose, CA made it. Probably because they are measureing cities and not MSA?
Also I came across a chart of demographic trends in the Houston and DFW areas. That you guys might be interested in. It points out that DFW's Asian and white popualtions are growing faster, and Houstons Black community and Latino community are growing faster. However it omits Kaufman county from the DFW MSA.
Another thing I will say is that Houston definatley feels more Texas to me than Dallas. Houston feels like a machismo city where Dallas to me feels downright affeminate to me.
Houston is more international than DFW, no doubt. However the overall foreign born Asian population between the two isnt really that great. Theres about 15,000 more Asians in Houston vs. Dallas. Also, even though the Houston area definately does have more Vietnamese than Dallas, DFW still has the 4th largest Vietnamese community in the country. Thats nothing to sneeze at.
As for the diversity issue, I had always thought Houston was and still think it is more diverse. However someone might want to explain why Dallas ended up on the following list and Houston didnt. Of the major cities in the US, on NYC, Honolulu, Dallas, Chicago and San Jose, CA made it. Probably because they are measureing cities and not MSA?
Also I came across a chart of demographic trends in the Houston and DFW areas. That you guys might be interested in. It points out that DFW's Asian and white popualtions are growing faster, and Houstons Black community and Latino community are growing faster. However it omits Kaufman county from the DFW MSA.
Another thing I will say is that Houston definatley feels more Texas to me than Dallas. Houston feels like a machismo city where Dallas to me feels downright affeminate to me.
Considering the DFW area has about 600K more people than Houston, I think that's good. And the DFW area definitely feels more "Texas". Easily. Houston is kind of isolated from the rest of the state and has its own feel to it.
I'll try to find the 2006 numbers as soon as I can:
Foreign Born Population, 2007
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 5,766,996
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 5,585,752
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 2,150,710
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 2,005,119
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 1,688,002
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,312,677 Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 1,218,480 Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 1,114,113
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 1,031,258
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 736,068
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 707,091
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 674,084
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 562,596
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 545,054
Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 439,555
Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV 411,307
Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV 397,053
Orlando-Deltona-Daytona , FL 379,415
Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO 364,564
Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 335,183
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI 299,321
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 261,816
Fresno-Madera, CA 228,693
Austin-Round Rock, TX 226,241
San Antonio, TX 220,973
Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC 180,711
Honolulu, HI 175,256
Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC 173,308
Stockton, CA 163,163
Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT 161,861
Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT 144,659
Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 143,195
Tucson, AZ 130,510
Salinas, CA 125,233
Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS 117,389
Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI 116,265
Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH 113,226
St Louis, MO-IL 112,728
Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point, NC 106,908
Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Columbia, TN 105,575
Foreign Born Residents as a percentage of the total population, 2007, 20%+
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 37.2%
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 37.0%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 34.9%
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 29.6%
Laredo, TX 29.2%
El Centro, CA 28.9%
McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 28.5%
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-CT-PA 28.3%
El Paso, TX 26.7%
Brownsville-Harligen, TX 26.0%
Merced, CA 26.9%
Yuma, AZ 24.9%
Naples-Marco Island, FL 24.6%
Stockton, CA 24.3%
Napa, CA 23.7%
Visalia-Porterville, CA 23.5%
Oxnard-Ventura, CA 23.2%
Las Vegas, NV 22.3%
Riverside-San Bernardino, CA 22.3% Santa Barbara, CA 22.3%
Madera, CA 22.1%
Fresno, CA 21.8% Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 21.4%
Bakersfield, CA 20.6%
Washington-Alexandria-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV 20.5%
Las Cruces, NM 20.0%
Born in Europe, 2007
New York 1,108,429
Chicago 395,814
Los Angeles 295,483
Boston 265,901
San Francisco 198,299
Washington DC 148,547
Miami 133,730
Philadelphia 125,242
Detroit 118,727
Atlanta 67,131 Houston 53,562 Dallas 50,391
Born in Asia, 2007
Los Angeles 1,709,241
New York 1,518,011
San Francisco 1,105,357
Washington DC 461,395
Chicago 394,767
Boston 272,040 Houston 244,274 Dallas 228,209
Detroit 210,490
Philadelphia 198,021
Atlanta 176,671
Miami 103,147
Born in Africa, 2007
New York 214,341
Washington DC 185,255
Boston 85,662
Los Angeles 72,620
Atlanta 64,870 Dallas 50,105 Houston 47,746
Chicago 46,189
Philadelphia 44,171
San Francisco 39,294
Miami 18,787
Detroit 15,513
Born in Australia/NZ/Oceania, 2007
San Francisco 28,774
Los Angeles 24,643
New York 13,624
Washington DC 4,837 Dallas 4,138
Boston 4,079 Houston 3,718
Chicago 2,536
Atlanta 1,999
Miami 1,884
Philadelphia 1,586
Detroit 842
Born in Latin America, 2007
Los Angeles 3,425,029
New York 2,859,026
Miami 1,712,594 Houston 855,106
Chicago 830,190 Dallas 767,665
San Francisco 746,665
Washington DC 495,265
Atlantaq 383,355
Boston 362,042
Philadelphia 165,357
Detroit 63,286
Born in the UK, 2007
New York 82,054
Los Angeles 56,663
San Francisco 34,095
Washington DC 28,416
Boston 26,582
Miami 20,299
Philadelphia 17,217
Chicago 16,341 Houston 16,137
Detroit 12,690
Atlanta 12,118 Dallas 11,348
Born in France, 2007
New York 28,362
Los Angeles 14,167
San Francisco 10,005
Boston 8,568
Miami 6,707
Washington DC 6,044
Chicago 3,670 Houston 3,061
Philadelphia 2,990 Dallas 2,357
Atlanta 1,855
Born in Germany, 2007
New York 67,465
Los Angeles 38,218
San Francisco 26,285
Chicago 25,280
Boston 15,872
Detroit 15,545
Miami 14,716
Philadelphia 12,734 Dallas 9,113
Atlanta 8,314 Houston 6,482
Born in Italy, 2007
New York 169,467
Boston 28,232
Chicago 22,249
Los Angeles 17,037
Philadelphia 16,359
Miami 15,799
Detroit 11,284
San Francisco 10,410
Washington DC 6,172
Atlanta 2,270 Houston 1,735 Dallas 1,304
Born in Portugal, 2007
Boston 78,034
New York 58,580
San Francisco 11,240
Washington DC 3,430
Los Angeles 3,093
Philadelphia 1,902
Miami 1,612 Dallas 758
Chicago 364
Detroit 216
Atlanta 108
Born in Poland, 2007
Chicago 151,327
New York 143,338
Boston 12,655
Los Angeles 12,268
Philadelphia 10,848
Detroit 10,733
Miami 10,382
Washington DC 10,153
San Francisco 7,365
Atlanta 3,977 Dallas 2,817 Houston 1,098
Born in Russia, 2007
New York 106,931
Los Angeles 26,984
San Francisco 23,256
Boston 20,183
Washington DC 15,460
Chicago 14,667
Philadelphia 12,584
Miami 8,658
Atlanta 6,312
Detroit 5,787 Houston 3,990 Dallas 3,915
Born in China, 2007
New York 418,239
San Francisco 322,192
Los Angeles 294,469
Boston 71,690
Washington DC 67,785
Chicago 54,237 Houston 46,045
Philadelphia 40,177 Dallas 29,461
Detroit 27,516
Atlanta 22,021
Miami 14,841
Born in Taiwan, 2007
Los Angeles 98,901
San Francisco 56,886
New York 47,011
Washington DC 15,110 Houston 14,541 Dallas 11,241
Boston 7,736
Chicago 5,540
Atlanta 4,029
Philadelphia 3,372
Miami 2,967
Detroit 2,873
Born in Japan, 2007
Los Angeles 66,594
New York 42,462
San Francisco 27,323
Washington DC 10,837
Detroit 10,140
Chicago 9,215
Boston 8,396 Dallas 4,686
Atlanta 4,278
Philadelphia 2,938
Miami 2,654 Houston 2,176
Born in India, 2007
New York 289,980
San Francisco 134,995
Chicago 108,911
Los Angeles 85,577
Washington DC 78,445
Philadelphia 50,583 Dallas 49,669
Boston 45,688
Detroit 41,884
Atlanta 41,081 Houston 40,862
Miami 13,032
Born in Iran, 2007
Los Angeles 141,002
San Francisco 29,029
New York 21,029
Washington DC 19,395 Dallas 8,919 Houston 6,168
Atlanta 4,573
Boston 4,444
Miami 3,330
Philadelphia 2,116
Detroit 1,611
Born in the Phillipines, 2007
Los Angeles 349,246
San Francisco 262,563
New York 165,711
Chicago 80,153 Houston 21,188
Miami 16,420
Boston 14,479 Dallas 14,297
Philadelphia 12,440
Detroit 11,814
Atlanta 7,293
Born in Vietnam, 2007
Los Angeles 225,568
San Francisco 158,952 Houston 61,045
Washington DC 50,683 Dallas 45,167
Boston 34,781
Atlanta 33,516
New York 26,008
Philadelphia 25,008
Chicago 17,405
Miami 6,630
Detroit 5,200
Born in Israel, 2007
New York 47,476
Los Angeles 18,786
Miami 11,220
San Francisco 7,545
Washington DC 4,673
Chicago 4,486
Boston 4,121 Houston 2,255
Philadelphia 2,025
Detroit 1,902 Dallas 1,748
Atlanta 1,335
(Non Hispanic) White Population, 2007(Non-white Majority Areas are Italicized)
New York 11,833,581...53% of total population Los Angeles 6,270,784...35% of total population
Boston 6,010,426...80% of total population
Chicago 5,540,307...56% of total population
Washington DC 4,621,574...56% of total population
Philadelphia 4,352,021...68% of total population
Detroit 3,792,716...70% of total population Dallas 3,517,567...54% of total population San Francisco 3,342,077...46% of total population
Atlanta 3,066,245...54% of total population Houston 2,474,677...43% of total population Miami 2,065,413...38% of total population
And the DFW area definitely feels more "Texas". Easily. Houston is kind of isolated from the rest of the state and has its own feel to it.
Not to me it doesnt. I didnt grow up in Texas, I moved here. I visited Dallas and Houston extensively. And if were comparing cities and not MSA's Houston definately feels more Texas and what imagined Texas to be than Dallas. Fort Worth is a different story.
Not to me it doesnt. I didnt grow up in Texas, I moved here. I visited Dallas and Houston extensively. And if were comparing cities and not MSA's Houston definately feels more Texas and what imagined Texas to be than Dallas. Fort Worth is a different story.
I've lived in both and that's how I feel. You're actually the first person I've heard say that Houston feels more "Texas" than Dallas.
I've lived in both and that's how I feel. You're actually the first person I've heard say that Houston feels more "Texas" than Dallas.
It is a matter of opinion, but Im definatley not the first person. Ive seen several people on this board say the same thing. My old man works in Houston and he says the same thing. So Im sure people think both cities are more Texas.
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OK lets see if we can clarify this a little
