08-17-2010, 09:39 PM
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Just in case anyone missed it: The final design selections for the arch grounds (shown in today's Post-Dispatch) all propose capping the depressed portion of I-70. The depictions all feature a seamless connection between the riverfront, arch grounds, and the rest of downtown--unimpeded by interstate traffic flowing beneath.
I was wondering if there going to cap it, were they going to improve the road at the same time? I am hoping they would if they cap it decide on at the very least add the shoulders and emergency lanes that modern highways have. Of course you would have to build under the two roads on either side but it would be better to do it all at once then to cap it and having to rebuild the now underground highway.
08-18-2010, 04:07 PM
Location: Clayton, MO
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Just in case anyone missed it: The final design selections for the arch grounds (shown in today's Post-Dispatch) all propose capping the depressed portion of I-70. The depictions all feature a seamless connection between the riverfront, arch grounds, and the rest of downtown--unimpeded by interstate traffic flowing beneath.
Just in case anyone missed it: 4 of the 5 teams recommend the removal of interstate 70.
Most Arch design teams: Remove I-70 downtown - St. Louis Business Journal
from the article:
The Arch grounds designers didn’t include the highway removal in their renderings unveiled this week because the winning project must be completed by 2015, which doesn’t allow enough time to cut out I-70, said Nate Forst, a member of the City to River steering committee. But all of the teams, except the one comprised of PWP Landscape Architecture, Foster + Partners, and Civitas, said in their proposals that they support removing I-70 from downtown or that their design proposals complement such a plan.
“The benefits of removing the highway altogether are clear,” said the MVVA team, which is led by New York-based Michael Van Valkenburgh Associates.
And below is a list of all the organizations on board with the highway removal
Chivvis Development , developers of Chouteau’s Landing, just south of the Arch
Citizens for Modern Transit , local transit advocacy organization
Coldwell Banker Commercial , area commercial real estate firm
Drury Hotels
Environmental Operations , developers of former St. Louis Centre mall and One City Centre office tower
Gentry’s Landing , high-rise riverfront apartment community
Hilliker Corp. , area commercial real estate firm
Laclede’s Landing Merchant’s Association
Laclede’s Landing Redevelopment Corp. , organization representing
Laclede’s Landing property owners
Landmarks Association of St. Louis, historic preservation organization
Lodging Hospitality Management , owner/operator of Ballpark Hilton
LoftWorks and Craig Heller, developers of Syndicate Trust, The 411, City Gourmet and several other downtown buildings
Mansion House, high-rise riverfront apartment community
Mayor’s Vanguard Cabinet , planning and land use committee
North Riverside Holdings , led by Tim Tucker and Mark Schulte, owners of Cotton Belt building on North Riverfront
Open Space Counci l, which is committed to conserving, protecting and sustaining land and water resources throughout the St. Louis region
Spinnaker St. Louis and Amos Harris , developers of Laurel project in the former downtown Dillard’s building
St. Louis Convention & Visitors Commission
St. Louis Chapter of American Institute of Architects
William Kerr Foundation , which is committed to projects designed to improve education, enrich the environment and promote health and accessibility with offices on North Riverfront
Source: City to River
08-18-2010, 04:11 PM
Location: Clayton, MO
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The issue is that trips locally would be significantly long, example someone in Lemay or South City going to the Airport and vise-versa. (This is worse if its a truck) One issue is just the lack of North-South routes in the metro area, if everyone has to take the same one route congestion is an issue. The areas that an I-70 would be really effected are areas in direction from downtown are South along I-55 and West along I-70 where going from one end to the other then would all be forced to take I-270 no other alternates exist. (This really legthens times for if either point is within 270) The biggest issue is that most of the highways in the St. Louis area tend East-West while options going to places North-South are limited. (on the Missouri side only 270 and the 55-70 corridor in the city go North/South)
Do you guys not understand there will still be a boulevard there. No one is proposing removal of 70 and memorial drive. There is no reason someone from Lemay can't still take the EXACT SAME ROUTE they take now. We're only talking 1.4 miles and maybe 5 additional minutes MAX.
08-18-2010, 05:15 PM
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Do you guys not understand there will still be a boulevard there. No one is proposing removal of 70 and memorial drive. There is no reason someone from Lemay can't still take the EXACT SAME ROUTE they take now. We're only talking 1.4 miles and maybe 5 additional minutes MAX.
It isn't so much cars using it but do you want to see a large number of 18 wheelers and various trucks use it? Such a scenario would involve some serious safety issues and the potential for high numbers of pedistrians being hit and/or crashes.
My guess is any boulevard proposal having the highway underground will be rejected by either MODOT, the State government, or even the Federal government for some reason. If such a proposal of removing the highway did happen expect plans to resurface on the cancelled highway proposals of either the Downtown West connector or 170 thorough South County.
08-18-2010, 05:18 PM
Location: South St Louis
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moorlander, please take a good look at your two previous posts. In the earlier one, you state "4 out of the 5 teams recommended removal of interstate 70 ." In the following post you say "no one is proposing removal of 70 " (my highlights for emphasis). These statements completely contradict each other. Would you try to explain what you actually intended to say?
08-18-2010, 06:34 PM
Location: Clayton, MO
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moorlander, please take a good look at your two previous posts. In the earlier one, you state "4 out of the 5 teams recommended removal of interstate 70 ." In the following post you say "no one is proposing removal of 70 " (my highlights for emphasis). These statements completely contradict each other. Would you try to explain what you actually intended to say?
Wow you took that out of context. To make it a little more clear I guess I should have said "no one is proposing removing BOTH 70 AND memorial drive and leaving no N-S route."
Technically both would be removed and redone as a boulevard. Whether it is renamed or still called memorial drive is inconsequential.
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08-18-2010, 07:04 PM
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Almost everyone know that Interstates were the death of many small. What many people don't know that many urban areas were the victims of poor planning. Neighborhoods were divided, access to rivers and other recreation areas were shut down or made more difficult. Some cities realized this many years ago and made changes to correct these mistakes. Saint Louis has that opportunity know with the Arch grounds being remodeled
08-18-2010, 07:20 PM
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^ well put D. / applause
08-18-2010, 07:33 PM
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Best DP post...ever? My thoughts exactly - 70 needs to go.
08-18-2010, 07:44 PM
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Best DP post...ever? My thoughts exactly - 70 needs to go.
I just don't think it can go, but putting it underground would have all of the benefits of removing it without the downside of actually doing it. I do think the capping the depressed section is inevitable and will happen, it is just what to do with the elevated section just North of it is another question. I am thinking a cut and cover method of rebuilding that section is possible once the new bridge is done. (part of the cost could be offset by having the land above the road up for sale)
I am hoping any covering of the depressed section also involves improving that section of highway as well.
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People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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