Coronavirus positives in Bradenton and Hillsborough Counties (Miami, Orlando: therapy, Walgreens)

[joshan]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

like this?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...g-home-deaths/

OR this?

https://conservativeamericatoday.com...y-overcounted/

Getting medical information from clearly biased political news sites is likely not best option. Not saying you are incorrect, or getting into what is correct or incorrect. There are clearly better places to get news and medical information from if you want anything resembling more than a politically charged hit piece.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by joshan

Getting medical information from clearly biased political news sites is likely not best option. Not saying you are incorrect, or getting into what is correct or incorrect. There are clearly better places to get news and medical information from if you want anything resembling more than a politically charged hit piece.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Both these links mention deaths from all other causes, & the possibility of overcounting covid deaths.

Neither is political, so are you now willing to admit this possibility, or is there something else shaping your opinion?

94% of covid deaths had co-morbidities, so how many of these people would have died anyways w/o C-19?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...cent-of-deaths


This goes back to died of covid, and died with covid.

Let's also consider that the government was paying hospitals Thousands of dollars for each covid diagnosis.

Most hospital are for-profit businesses. If you want to be naive, & think greed & dishonesty doesn't exist in for-profit hospitals, that is your choice....but not mine.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

94% of covid deaths had co-morbidities, so how many of these people would have died anyways w/o C-19?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...cent-of-deaths

Once again you are taking things out of context and "cherry-picking" to fit your political narrative.

This is from the same WebMD article that you posted which you failed to mention:

“Those saying ‘only 6% die from COVID-19 alone,’ or some derivation thereof, don’t understand how infectious diseases work,” Ryan McNamara, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and a virologist who studies HIV, wrote in a Twitter post.

Then if you look at the Twitter post referenced from the WebMD link you posted - this virologist further clarifies:

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Mac_Phd/sta...22612409966594

"Been seeing folks discuss the "6% only died of COVID-19 alone", and thought I'd have something productive to add since I'm an HIV virologist by training.
After years of virus spread, and in the absence of treatment, a patient infected with HIV will develop AIDS. (1/4)

During this state of HIV progression, white blood cells called T-cells are depleted. This can allow co-infecting pathogens to spread unchecked or tumor cells to grow & metastasize. Hence pneumonia & AIDS-associated cancers are leading causes of death in HIV+ patients. (2/4)

For SARS-CoV-2, the assault it elicits on the lungs can greatly exacerbate other pre-existing conditions. So things like cardiac arrest, renal failure, liver failure, sepsis, lung scarring, etc. can all occur post-infection with SARS-CoV-2, leading to death. (3/4)

Those saying "only 6% die from COVID-19 alone", or some derivation thereof, don't understand how infectious diseases work. Many are not operating in good faith, & are the same people who have downplayed this pandemic since February. (4/4)

[wondermint2]

I also wanted to mention that deaths should not be the only metric to judge Covid by. New studies point out that Long Covid is a very real thing for many people - especially in the cardiac area and neurological area (brain fog). I don't have time right now to post links for this - but at the rate this thread is going I'll eventually have to.

[wondermint2]

Good news! It's looking like the Omicron BA.2 wave will turn out to be minor in the USA. In Florida there's been a small uptick in cases recently, however thus far hospitalizations are declining in most areas. On Friday Sarasota Memorial Hospital reported only 11 patients hospitalized with Covid. Their test positivity ratio was a low 2.9%.

The USA currently has an immunity wall from their massive and fairly recent BA.1 Omicron wave. In comparison in the UK they are more highly vaccinated than the USA - but their BA.1 wave was much smaller. This probably explains why the BA.2 wave was more severe in the UK.

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Tweet thread today from scientist Dr. Eric Topol:

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...41045062520833

" The US pandemic: We know what a country-wide surge looks like (wave 5). It's clear now that wave 6 (BA.2), yet still in the works, will not resemble that. 1/5

All regions of the US are well past 50% (dominant) BA.2 by sequencing 2/5

There's a lot of cross-immunity between BA.1 (monster wave) and BA.2. ~50% of Americans were infected in < 10 weeks.
No sign of increase of hospitalizations (actually a sustained decrease) 3/5

In the Northeast, the 1st region to become BA.2 dominant more than 3 weeks ago, the absolute or relative increase in hospitalizations is small to date 4/5

Yeah, PCR testing levels are low, but there were ~2 million tests reported yesterday, with a positivity rate of 3.6% " 5/5

[loves2read]

Yes—
It is just a horse race now to see which one has staying power
CoVid variants or people’s immunity factors

My daughter wants to see “To Kill A Mockingbird” at Venice Little Theater later this month and I am still probably going to go masked—that is usually more seniors than not but the seats are close packed and the lobby is microscopic so very close quarters…

[Trying941]

Now that we are near the end of this saga - or this phase of it - the report cards are coming in:

https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/ny-han...ng-best-study/

[Gulf coast jon]

Originally Posted by Trying941

Now that we are near the end of this saga - or this phase of it - the report cards are coming in:

https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/ny-han...ng-best-study/

I always look into the source of published studies. This one is "interesting":

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ash_Prosperity

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by loves2read

Yes—
It is just a horse race now to see which one has staying power
CoVid variants or people’s immunity factors

My daughter wants to see “To Kill A Mockingbird” at Venice Little Theater later this month and I am still probably going to go masked—that is usually more seniors than not but the seats are close packed and the lobby is microscopic so very close quarters…

Everybody has different risk tolerance (and different risk factors) so I respect your decision. A healthy young person might choose to not wear a mask in a crowded indoor space - I respect that too.

Along those lines I want to mention that cases are currently being drastically undercounted. This is because many people that take a home test don't report the results. PCR testing is way down. Dr. Gottlieb estimates that only 1 in 7 to 1 in 8 cases are currently showing up in the official case counts.

The good news is that because of immunity from prior BA.1 infections (and vaccinations) along with new drugs like Paxlovid - hospitalizations are thus far staying low for this BA.2 upturn. Looking at wastewater samples from various Counties is going to be a better indication of the true case counts.

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"Wasterwater data shows increases in the last 6 weeks for some Florida counties with large populations."

https://twitter.com/JasonSalemi/stat...01902123483137

This is a good web site that publishes wastewater data:

https://biobot.io/data/

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Gottlieb says U.S. "dramatically undercounting" new COVID-19 cases


https://youtube.com/watch?v=5IDzNphiAsc

Dr. Scott Gottlieb says only about one in seven new COVID-19 infections are being reflected in public health data, thanks largely to the growth of at-home testing.

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by Gulf coast jon

I always look into the source of published studies. This one is "interesting":

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ash_Prosperity

Koch-touch is not to be trusted IMO