A question about being gay. (Jesus Christ, body, Old Testament, origin)
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A:so in 150,000 years we have not done as much to improve life for our selves as the past 500??? That is a stretch! Gravity is a proven Theory yes because it exists they just cant prove why things hold shape and don't just form a giant ball.
Last is the best but all show how BY THE NUMBERS the ark could have worked.
D:
The mystery that I pointed out is that in the past 350 years we grew 4 inches!!! now that should have happened long ago to reach in to taller trees for food and to be stronger and and and but if it was because of heat then would not people such as Hispanics and central Americans be taller then say the average Norwegian?
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It is amazing that most everything we have as far as wrighten word dats no farther back then maby 3000bc at the most. that leaves 145000 years with no solid evidence of a written language when we feel an innate want to record everything and a need to congregate in to larger groups of people. But that took 145000 years about?
F:
where did a GIANT meteorite fall to kill dino's (Maybe) in the Golf of Mexico...lots of oil
Where did a giant flood happen to Noha that killed a $hit load of animalls ME...lots of oil
Yes there are other places with oil but I have just pointed out 86% of the worlds oil.
Why are you highjacking your own thread lambene? " A question about being gay."
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So you are born gay...is that just one of those cases were the "Devil" tempting you to do wrong?
Because you are "Born Gay" does that make the actions that come along with being gay ok?
I believe in no devil, and why wouldn't the way you are born be ok? There is nothing one can do about the way they are born is there?
You know you can't just make random statements and expect us to believe them..for instance the second largest oil reserves are in Canada, so your 86% figure is hogwash.
Linking to a bunch of biblical sites that have no respect for honesty, but twist and distort anything and everything to fit the biblical myth does not improve your own credibility, and does nothing to convince that the Noah story is anything more than a fable.
Ok first off I do not mean to offend anyone at all. I am not racist, sexiest, or in any other way unlikeliness of the differences the world beholds upon us. In fact I love them.
My friend and I were talking last night (He is gay) about being gay and becoming gay and being born gay. Well I have a conclusion/question.
I believe people can be born gay but does that make it right? I mean I was born with a love of stealing and porn but does that make it right?
Now I know some might say " So I was born black so am I bad" and think of me as a mean person. THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!! It is not who you are but what you do. I have no ill will towards anyone because of who they are, race has nothing to do with the question AT ALL.
So you are born gay...is that just one of those cases were the "Devil" tempting you to do wrong?
Because you are "Born Gay" does that make the actions that come along with being gay ok?
If you can come up with a secular reason why gay is wrong, then you might have my attention, until then I will slide you in with the creationist.
Attraction has many faces. Sexual, phyiscal, 'Romantic', emotional, personality, etc. And though who you're attracted to can be influenced at birth / genetically, I really don't see how it can be solely attributed to that considering all the factors of attraction. I think there is much more choice than some may think.
Acting on that attraction is another category, and is choice. Nobody is a robot that is programmed to only be able to be with one gender or the other in an intimate relationship. Every individual is different, with different personalities, emotions, physical traits, etc. There's girls who look and act like boys, and boys who look and act like girls. So I don't buy the idea that certain guys cannot be happy with a girl, and vice versa. I think any male could find happiness with a female, and vice versa.
From a wordly standpoint, homosexuality should be allowed to me, regardless of my religious beliefs, due to the idea there are no 'victims'. I believe in freedom in all forms assuming they don't hurt by standards.
Religiously, I believe in higher powers and intelligence, with a specific meaning and intent for our lives here in this world, with homosexuality having no positive consequences in relation to those meanings and intents. That's not to say I don't believe in the free agency to make the choice to engage in it, but I personally don't believe it to be of benefit to who we are individually and what we're trying to, and can possibly, be. That's based off of my knowledge of a higher intelligence, and not on man's current knowledge (what we call science). Without that, I would have no idea if it was 'right' or 'wrong'. The topic of homosexual couples and children though could be room for a lot more debate, and is one of the strongest reasons for people being against homosexuality.
Last edited by MrAnderson; 01-07-2010 at 04:27 AM..
Attraction has many faces. Sexual, phyiscal, 'Romantic', emotional, personality, etc. And though who you're attracted to can be influenced at birth / genetically, I really don't see how it can be solely attributed to that considering all the factors of attraction. I think there is much more choice than some may think.
Acting on that attraction is another category, and is choice. Nobody is a robot that is programmed to only be able to be with one gender or the other in an intimate relationship. Every individual is different, with different personalities, emotions, physical traits, etc. There's girls who look and act like boys, and boys who look and act like girls. So I don't buy the idea that certain guys cannot be happy with a girl, and vice versa. I think any male could find happiness with a female, and vice versa.
From a wordly standpoint, homosexuality should be allowed to me, regardless of my religious beliefs, due to the idea there are no 'victims'. I believe in freedom in all forms assuming they don't hurt by standards.
Religiously, I believe in higher powers and intelligence, with a specific meaning and intent for our lives here in this world, with homosexuality having no positive consequences in relation to those meanings and intents. That's not to say I don't believe in the free agency to make the choice to engage in it, but I personally don't believe it to be of benefit to who we are individually and what we're trying to, and can possibly, be. That's based off of my knowledge of a higher intelligence, and not on man's current knowledge (what we call science). Without that, I would have no idea if it was 'right' or 'wrong'. The topic of homosexual couples and children though could be room for a lot more debate, and is one of the strongest reasons for people being against homosexuality.
So could you be happy with someone of the same sex?
Coudl you, honestly, have a lasting, committed, meaningful and intimate relationship with someone of the same gender?
A:so in 150,000 years we have not done as much to improve life for our selves as the past 500??? That is a stretch! Gravity is a proven Theory yes because it exists they just cant prove why things hold shape and don't just form a giant ball.
Last is the best but all show how BY THE NUMBERS the ark could have worked.
D:
The mystery that I pointed out is that in the past 350 years we grew 4 inches!!! now that should have happened long ago to reach in to taller trees for food and to be stronger and and and but if it was because of heat then would not people such as Hispanics and central Americans be taller then say the average Norwegian?
E:
It is amazing that most everything we have as far as wrighten word dats no farther back then maby 3000bc at the most. that leaves 145000 years with no solid evidence of a written language when we feel an innate want to record everything and a need to congregate in to larger groups of people. But that took 145000 years about?
F:
where did a GIANT meteorite fall to kill dino's (Maybe) in the Golf of Mexico...lots of oil
Where did a giant flood happen to Noha that killed a $hit load of animalls ME...lots of oil
Yes there are other places with oil but I have just pointed out 86% of the worlds oil.
A. Answer your own question by answering this one. How long have we had central home heating? Also,tech builds on tech. The vast majority of technological acheivment HAS been in the past 500 years or so. Finally, on gravity... Gravitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
B. You really need to stay away from the YECer and Apologist sites. For one rather lame example f rom that first link, a circle is not a globe, a circle is a flat object. Another is the currents of the ocean. Ancient pre-Jewish man knew perfectly well about the currents. It was common knowledge of the day. The whole site is a collection consisting of using a rather large hammer to make reality fit into what was actually written in your bible.
C. See above. Also, there are roughly 2 million estimated species on the planet today, not 1600.
D, See A.
E. That is the written language, sir. We have carvings, paintings, and other types of representations far, far older. Some of the oldest cave paintings in Europe, for example, can be found at the Caves at Levuax (sp?) and are dated at some 45,000 years old.
You should note that using the biblical timeline, the Earth is some 6,000 years old. We know this to be fales, of course. According to the biblical timeline, your Great Flood supposedly occured at app. 2,500 BCE. None of the non-Jewish ancient writtings mention anything about a world wide flood.
F. Your premise is flawed in one primary case. the biblical flood inundated the entire world, as I had shown you earlier with Elevations in Syria and Virginia. And in another area as well,. Your bible mentions nothing about either huge spacial debris impacts OR dinos for that matter.
Because you are "Born Gay" does that make the actions that come along with being gay ok?
Yes, of course. I mean, come on- how can a person be gay without being gay?!?
Now just imagine for a moment how you would feel if you, being straight, were born into a world where everyone was pretty much all gay, and it was very, VERY unacceptable and against most people's religion to be straight. But you KNOW you love being with women, and yet you don't want anyone else to know that, so you're trying your best to be with a man simply because you don't want to disappoint your family, or have to deal with societal issues, etc...how bad would that suck, trying to "act" gay, even to the point where you'd have to have sex with a man in order to appeal to some weird, man-made, societal rules?! Well that's what gay people have had to deal with for years, and I hardly think that god would approve of ANY of the persecution that gays have had to deal with. Especially considering that those who often condemn them are ones who think god created everyone, so...
.. but you must admit the teachings of jesus and many things said in the bible are a good doctrine to live by. Love one another and all that....
You'd have to be incredibly selective about living by the doctrines in the Bible these days unless you want to go to prison. Slaughtering neighbouring tribes because God told you to, kidnapping, rape, incest, polygamy, slavery, stoning, sacrificing animals etc are all illegal in America.
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