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God is not a drill sergeant he is an entity that requires a system in order to live with him.
So do drill sergeants, truth be told. But I was referring to the entire "setting people up to fail" concept. If God hardens my heart against him (and he's all-powerful, so he can harden it pretty well), only to judge me for having a hardened heart - that's just like the sarge busting me for having an untidy locker after ordering 5 changes of uniform in 20 minutes.
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Do you believe that life ust happened and that you walk out and see the sun all vegetation the air that you breath just Happened????
"Just happened" is a bit of an oversimplification, isn't it? We've been looking to piece events together, there's a lot of missing pieces, some things we'll probably never know. But there's no indication of a Flood, for instance.
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What is even stranger you will believe that some how we came from monkeys
Monkeys and we have a common ancestor. Not the same thing.
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which has no foundation and is totally absurd rather then to believe that there is a supreme power that has created all this and is very detailed in his thinking.
Here's an interesting detail. Humans can't synthesize vitamin C. We actually have the gene for it, but it's broken. Another detail? No simians (monkeys and apes, including humans) can synthesize vitamin C. They, too, have the broken gene. And it's broken in the exact same way. Exactly like we'd expect, if we inherited genetic material from a shared ancestor. Science is cool.
Now, why would a creator set it up like that? Having all members of an entire suborder of primate share a gene, sure. But making them all share a broken gene? That's not being detailed in your thinking.
(Incidentally, guinea pigs can't synthesize vitamin C, either. They have a broken gene, as well. Only it's broken in a different way.)
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This is why I believe that God has hardened your hearts (thinking part of the mind.
Then I'm carrying out God's will, so what's the problem?
Human are designed to live forever along with the perfect environment all that has changed because of the fall of Adam and Eve. Yes there is documented proof of the flood. Every piece of History has came true from the Bible which you people think is just a fantasy or fairy tale. Yes God can judge you because of his perfection and your imperfection. He came down here as human to save you from his self you don't have to work for it or give money or be involved in some group just believe that he came here and was sacrificed for your sins and whalah you are saved forever!!!! I don't know why you people have to analize that. After all we got a president that get a Pulitzer prize just for putting an unrealistic plan together not that it works mind you. Putting us further in debt and taking our freedoms away and taking charge of industries and kissing butts with the terrorist, turning our nation into big big government and tiny tiny people.
Human are designed to live forever along with the perfect environment all that has changed because of the fall of Adam and Eve. Yes there is documented proof of the flood. Every piece of History has came true from the Bible which you people think is just a fantasy or fairy tale. Yes God can judge you because of his perfection and your imperfection. He came down here as human to save you from his self you don't have to work for it or give money or be involved in some group just believe that he came here and was sacrificed for your sins and whalah you are saved forever!!!! I don't know why you people have to analize that. After all we got a president that get a Pulitzer prize just for putting an unrealistic plan together not that it works mind you. Putting us further in debt and taking our freedoms away and taking charge of industries and kissing butts with the terrorist, turning our nation into big big government and tiny tiny people.
So what freedoms have you lost and exactly how much was the deficit 9 months ago or 8years ago, also I thought xians did not believe in murder, slander, or lying. You say we are turning into tiny people, I thought xians did not worry about worldly things like that, and instead be happy that we are going broke trying to help people get adequate health care.
Thank you for wanting the worst for this country xian
People like you are the reason I did not reenlist.
Yeah! Walt Brown....a mechanical engineer who knows more about it than all those accredited and qualified scientists. He couldn't even get a publisher to accept his book of nonsense and had to publish it himself. Even other creationist organisations have criticised his nonsense. He ranks with the likes of Kent Hovind and John Woodmorappe on this matter i.e a joke! Woodmorappe claims Noah overcame the problem of animal waste in the ark by training the animals to crap into buckets which were then tipped overboard.
The scientific basics of the story could be accurate -- ie, a comet or supernova, and the "magical" bits like it stopping above the stable could be embellishments (*coughLIEScough*) by biblical authors in order to make the story more plausible?
Sorry I overloked this. I was directed back to this post by a comment. Yes. That's always a possibility. But I have to say it is remote.
1. The Matthew story is ludicrous even apart from the star.
2. Both Matthew and Luke's irreconcilable and unworkable stories are constructed to place a birth in Bethlehem in order to fit prophecy.
3 Mark does not know of it and John tacitly denies it. Jesus was, on all evidence, not born in Bethlehem
4. Astrologers or wise men or even Sanhedrin members within Judea would not see astronomical phenomena and go galloping off searching for babies in Bethlehem, let alone foreign astrologers who knew and cared nothing about Judean messiahs.
5. The Matthew story makes it clear that it was a year or so after Jesus' birth and they'd be in Egypt by then.
Conclusion. There may well have been comets, conjunctions, supernovae (which occurred 2million years ago so as to blaze out at the right date - that's what I call forward planning!) at the time, but those are nothing to do with this nonsenical tale which is as disprovable as anything in the Bible. That is one story you can put out of your head and (whether from a believing viewpoin or not) you may apply yourself to consideration of some of the other problems in the Bible and the explanations put forward.
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I have to agree with Rafius on this. I had an inordinately long debate on another site about Woodmorappe and Dan Brown's attempts to make a flood and ark feasible. I couldn't persuade the other guy of course since he ended up by calling Brown's speculations 'science' and science facts 'speculation'. But the discussion made it clear to me that there were massive problems with the scenario presented here.
Even inventing barymas to reduce the appalling numbers of species, postulating redirected migration to explain how the animals could be collected together, suggesting a weathly Noah with a crew of shipwrights to explain how the Ark could be put together, the whole flood scenario fell apart both on the geology and the animal distribution (why take tasmanian devils and koalas along to Australia rather than sheep and cows?). But the biggest problem of the aftermath of a load of genetically precarious species stranded in a worldwide mudslick made it impossible and unworkable.
It has got to be a myth and we know where it came from, too.
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Yeah! Walt Brown....a mechanical engineer who knows more about it than all those accredited and qualified scientists. He couldn't even get a publisher to accept his book of nonsense and had to publish it himself. Even other creationist organisations have criticised his nonsense. He ranks with the likes of Kent Hovind and John Woodmorappe on this matter i.e a joke! Woodmorappe claims Noah overcame the problem of animal waste in the ark by training the animals to crap into buckets which were then tipped overboard.
