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I don't think the term -- at least nowadays -- is at all limited to those who are "sexual prudes". It's become more a melding of religion and politics.
Rolling the eyes on the internet is one way of expressing that a comment is sarcasm, since to some that needs to be pointed out.
I use fundamentalist as the term to describe...fundamentalist Christians, which is THEIR word, THEIR definition as outlined in the set of essays called The Fundamentals by which they live, whether they call themselves that or not on a daily basis.
Simply put, fundamentalists are Christians who believe that everything in the Bible is actually the LITERAL WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF, unquestionable, infallible and absolutely true. Everything's all black-and-white, either good or evil.
Not all Christians think that way, of course, but those are the ones the world sees.
Fundy was just a shorter way of typing it, and as we see here, we have a fundamentalist who calls himself by that name in his screen name on City-Data. However, since some took offense at being called fundies, I now type out the word "fundamentalist".
Well when you find their diaries, you let me know if it reconciles, with people's opinions on the Internet. btw: you might need a library card for that. If you don't know what that is, google it. As for as the three hour long darkness, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear, does it still make a sound. The answer is yes, obviously, because sound is real --- yet the person who recorded the sound is doubted that, the tree falling made a sound, because they were not in the vicinity of the tree when it fell.
And while you search for proof of a solar eclipse, what? 7000 years ago, just know the asteroid hitting earth and wiping out all life, for science, that's still a theory, because they don't know.
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Because an actual event, a tree falling, therefore something that was probably an invention must have been a true event? That is called the non sequitur fallacy.
I do not need to search for an impossible event, a solar eclipse occurring during Passover, which happens with a full moon.
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I'm challenging that you have in your possession or have read literary works of Philo, Eusebius, Tacitus, and Suetonius and have ascertained what you say is true. Because I'm thinking you have read something similar to this and you believed 'em.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
Because an actual event, a tree falling, therefore something that was probably an invention must have been a true event? That is called the non sequitur fallacy.
I thought you were familiar with the concept of, "if a tree falls in a forest", as an actual event does it make a sound? Science says yes --- if they record the event in oral tradition as they would in ancient societies, then the perception today would be --- trees do not make a sound when they fall and no one is around to hear it. And yes, that is the logical conclusion, the only conclusion that can be drawn.
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I do not need to search for an impossible event, a solar eclipse occurring during Passover, which happens with a full moon.
Solar eclipse do happen --- that is not a stretch. The stretch, is a book that records real world events and it isn't believed, because their education was different then, than what ours is today.
... just know the asteroid hitting earth and wiping out all life, for science, that's still a theory, because they don't know.
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Excuse me, but which asteroid are you talking about? You aren't referring to the Chicxulub asteroid that hit the earth 65 million years ago are you? I haven't been keeping up with the thread so I don't know if that's something that came up earlier.
No Michael, just me using science discoveries (theories) to make a point. But, yes the Chicxlub asteroid, is the one I was referring to --- the events of the Bible, can't be proven any better than the asteroid, even with oral traditions being a thing of ancient cultures.
No Michael, just me using science discoveries (theories) to make a point. But, yes the Chicxlub asteroid, is the one I was referring to --- the events of the Bible, can't be proven any better than the asteroid, even with oral traditions being a thing of ancient cultures.
Except there's a giant impact crater and no one denies this.
I'm challenging that you have in your possession or have read literary works of Philo, Eusebius, Tacitus, and Suetonius and have ascertained what you say is true. Because I'm thinking you have read something similar to this and you believed 'em.
I no longer have the works of Tacitus, and Suetonius, I left them in Afghanistan, but you can find Philo and Eusebius on line.
Just because you use websites to get your information does not mean I have not done my homework by going to the actual sources.
Challenge away, but be prepared to get spanked.
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I thought you were familiar with the concept of, "if a tree falls in a forest", as an actual event does it make a sound? Science says yes --- if they record the event in oral tradition as they would in ancient societies, then the perception today would be --- trees do not make a sound when they fall and no one is around to hear it. And yes, that is the logical conclusion, the only conclusion that can be drawn.
I am familiar with the irrelevant concept, but because a tree falling makes a sound does not lead to the conclusion that an invented text (a second conclusion based on actual evidence) must actually be oral. That is not how logic works.
A non sequitur is a logical fallacy, not a logical argument.
We even know where much of Mark came from, rewriting the OT, where rewriting texts was a common practice among the educated of the Roman empire. And we know where the material from the other gospels came from, the OT and Mark. We have evidence for this, something we do not have, and can never have, for an oral tradition.
Just because oral story telling existed does not automatically mean Mark relied on oral tradition, and ignores the overwhelming evidence Mark is basing his allegorical fiction on the OT, just as Paul tells us that is where he found much of his information about Jesus.
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Solar eclipse do happen --- that is not a stretch. The stretch, is a book that records real world events and it isn't believed, because their education was different then, than what ours is today.
Except they did know then what we know now (apart from you) that solar eclipses do not happen during a full moon, they only ever happen at a new moon. That is why they never, ever, happen at Passover, and to pretend it can IS a stretch.
No Michael, just me using science discoveries (theories) to make a point. But, yes the Chicxlub asteroid, is the one I was referring to --- the events of the Bible, can't be proven any better than the asteroid, even with oral traditions being a thing of ancient cultures.
You don't deny that there's a giant crater which was caused by the Chicxulub asteroid do you? Rocks found in the crater have been identified as carbonaceous chondrites which are a class of primitive meteorites containing high amounts of carbon.
And you do realize that in science the word 'theory' is not used in the same way it is used by the average person don't you? In science, a theory refers to a conclusion based on well tested experiments regarding some aspect of the natural world.
But yes, many events in the Bible cannot be proven, and a good case can be made against many of the biblical events. And some, such as the Genesis creation and Flood stories are absolutely disprovable thanks to science.
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