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What New Covenant?...Where is this New Covenant prophesied in the Torah?...
And your Jesus did not say that you did not have to obey the Law...He said it was still in place until the heavens and earth pass away...
Jesus said the law would stay in place until everything was accomplished. Everything was accomplished when He died on the cross. He paid the sin penalty so strict obedience to a code was no longer needed. That's the new covenant.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Jesus said the law would stay in place until everything was accomplished. Everything was accomplished when He died on the cross. He paid the sin penalty so strict obedience to a code was no longer needed. That's the new covenant.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
Looks like you are cherry picking your own scripture. "Until heaven and earth disappear". "Everything is accomplished" doesn't have to mean his death alone.
Jesus said the law would stay in place until everything was accomplished. Everything was accomplished when He died on the cross. He paid the sin penalty so strict obedience to a code was no longer needed. That's the new covenant.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
You are right. That is indeed the meaning of that often misunderstood passage. Effectively during that year (or so) from the baptist to the crucifixion, the Law was inviolable. From then on, it was 'fulfilled' which means that now you could do it through Jesus, you didn't need the Mosaic laws any more - not unless that is, they were part of Jesus' own teachings.
Of course I don't believe a word of it and the historical Jesus would rather have had himself nailed to to a tree than see the slightest abrogation of the laws of God -in fact he was - but Paul threw them out the window so as to adapt messianism for his Greek fellow -citizens, and the later gospel writers s took Paul's views and stuffed them into Jesus mouth.
In effect they are making Jesus say "Up till my time, God's laws were in stone. Now they are gone. They are not only not needed, they are a hindrance. Do not put them up in your schools and courthouses."
Verily, verily, Jeff, I say unto you, there is none who understand the gospels, no not one. But to some, it is given to Understand some things. You sussed that one.
Found this article this morning. It's pretty interesting. Apparently there's some mounting evidence that the Canaanites were never wiped out.
Welcome thoughts from all sides
So if a new technology is used by future archeologists (say 10 years down the road) who prove that yes indeed, cannities were destroyed, would you become a believer, and start going to a church or a mosque or a synagogue?
And then let's say an even better technology is used (let's say 100 years down the road when you may not be alive) which proves that cannities were actually not destroyed, wouldn't your years being a believer will be wasted?
Jesus said the law would stay in place until everything was accomplished. Everything was accomplished when He died on the cross. He paid the sin penalty so strict obedience to a code was no longer needed. That's the new covenant.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
So were the Canaanites exterminated? Apparently not.
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The people of modern-day Lebanon can trace their genetic ancestry back to the Canaanites, new research finds.
The Canaanites were residents of the Levant (modern-day Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine) during the Bronze Age, starting about 4,000 years ago. They're best known from the Old Testament of the Bible, in which they're described as the cursed descendants of Canaan, blighted by God because Canaan's father dishonored his own father, the patriarch Noah. The Canaanites were often in conflict with the Israelite tribes that wrote the Hebrew Bible. In fact, the Book of Deuteronomy features Yahweh (God) ordering the Canaanites to be exterminated.
In part because the Canaanites kept their records on easily degradable papyrus rather than clay, little is known about their side of the story. But now, ancient DNA reveals that the Canaanites were the descendants of Stone Age settlers and the ancestors of the Lebanese. [Biblical Battles: 12 Ancient Wars Lifted from the Bible]
So if a new technology is used by future archeologists (say 10 years down the road) who prove that yes indeed, cannities were destroyed, would you become a believer, and start going to a church or a mosque or a synagogue?
And then let's say an even better technology is used (let's say 100 years down the road when you may not be alive) which proves that cannities were actually not destroyed, wouldn't your years being a believer will be wasted?
Since we have the technology right now to show that Bible belief is not soundly based, would you give up being a believer? Apparently not. So why ask us that sort of question?
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Uh...Heaven and earth are still here...
The believers are always beating away at Bible critics about being Over Literal with metaphor. 'Heaven and earth passing away' is one on them
It's just saying (Luke in fact uses the same passage) that the Mosaic law us untouchable and unchangable - until Jesus has done his mission and it all gets replaced by his teachings.
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