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To me the solar system and the planet Earth are very imperfect. The whole galaxy is imperfect. It resembles the aftermath of some catastrophe.
You know what you would love...watching this movie for free online...I have 2 copies on DVD to hand out...my mouth dropped.
But rem to watch the whole thing bec there is more
than you would expect from the title.
Then, tell me what you think of the solar system....and Kepler..and NASA and computers...
If Transponder would watch he would think differently about wte the Star of Bethlehem really was...according to science!
The same science that even after 10 yrs landed a probe on a moving Asteroid..aka the Rosetta Mission.
You will love this movie...it is not religious, btw...
"Infinity symbol. The infinity symbol (sometimes called the lemniscate) is a mathematical symbol representing the concept of infinity. "
Eternity is no time, is physics. You don't do science?
"all agree on one essential lesson: the space-time that we inhabit is a construction. It is not fundamental to nature, but emerges from a deeper level of reality."
tossing out the word "infinity" as proof isn't how we work. we only work with what is in front of us. "infinity" is just a whole lot more. Do you understand "fractals"?
we don't work with what we don't know or understand. "just make it more powerful" is not an option. Once we say "imagine it to be more powerful." toss in unicorn and rainbows for color. I like colors.
I always include the opposite, if we have +infinity then we need -infinity, here (-)theism. Imagine an infinite amount of unicorns with rainbow farts ... cool. we can use the word random all we want, the claim of natural infinity milli-mental-think, we will never see them pop into existence.
you are using "infinity" to trick people to make it seem more real. Just like the others do with the word "random" to minimize a claim.
tossing out the word "infinity" as proof isn't how we work. we only work with what is in front of us. "infinity" is just a whole lot more. Do you understand "fractals"?
we don't work with what we don't know or understand. "just make it more powerful" is not an option. Once we say "imagine it to be more powerful." toss in unicorn and rainbows for color. I like colors.
I always include the opposite, if we have +infinity then we need -infinity, here (-)theism. Imagine an infinite amount of unicorns with rainbow farts ... cool. we can use the word random all we want, the claim of natural infinity milli-mental-think, we will never see them pop into existence.
you are using "infinity" to trick people to make it seem more real. Just like the others do with the word "random" to minimize a claim.
Infinity is math.
So math is not real? Math is trying to trick people?
And no infinity is NOT "just a whole lot more." The mathematical term for that is "greater than" and it has a different symbol > and different definition than infinity ∞
(Still waiting for your answer to why that "creeps you out" infinity and eternity that is. You said that on another thread a few days ago.)
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Infinity is math.
So math is not real? Math is trying to trick people?
And no infinity is NOT "just a whole lot more."
The mathematical term for that is "greater than" and it has a different symbol > and altogether different definition than infinity ∞
no, infinity is not math ...anymore than a screwdriver is carpentry.
math is just a langue. I tell people all the time, if the math guy can't explain the math in words, the math might be wrong. math is a set of tools that helps us explain, predict, and link ideas on how things work.
I would never tell a person, "well, you don't know the math so I can't explain it to you.". Thats rude and deceitful. Most times right? some people are just teenaged brain-ed adults and that's how I talk to them after a spell.
Infinity is math. You don't do math?
"Infinity symbol. The infinity symbol (sometimes called the lemniscate) is a mathematical symbol representing the concept of infinity. "
Eternity is physics. You don't do science? "all agree on one essential lesson: the space-time that we inhabit is a construction. It is not fundamental to nature, but emerges from a deeper level of reality."
The bold is quite profound and accurate, Tzaph. The sequential process that produces our awareness is what creates the illusion of space-time, what I call time-space because it is the "quantum" time required for our "instantaneous" awareness to form that produces the illusion. It is why Augustine said that God made the world not IN time but WITH time.
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Infinity is math.
So math is not real? Math is trying to trick people?
And no infinity is NOT "just a whole lot more." The mathematical term for that is "greater than" and it has a different symbol > and different definition than infinity ∞
(Still waiting for your answer to why that "creeps you out" infinity and eternity that is. You said that on another thread a few days ago.)
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no, infinity is not math ...anymore than a screwdriver is carpentry.
math is just a langue. I tell people all the time, if the math guy can't explain the math in words, the math might be wrong. math is a set of tools that helps us explain, predict, and link ideas on how things work.
I would never tell a person, "well, you don't know the math so I can't explain it to you.". Thats rude and deceitful. Most times right? some people are just teenaged brain-ed adults and that's how I talk to them after a spell.
Where to begin?! Math is a symbolic language created in our minds that " is a set of tools that help us explain, predict, and link ideas on how things work" as Arach said. The metric space in which the "grammar and syntax" of equations and relations are manipulated is useful because it enables us to predict quantifiable events (measures). This gives the impression that we are reproducing what our reality does, but that is an illusion. Our reality is NOT doing the math and there is no expectation that the results we predict so well were actually produced by the symbolic manipulations in the math. However, to Tzaph's point, the symbols DO represent real underlying "somethings" that our mathematical manipulations are predicting. That is why I make so much of the E=mc^2 and E=hf equivalence. Whatever we are measuring and manipulating corresponds to some real underlying "something" that we label energy. Our manipulations and symbols indicate that it is both "substance" (mass) and "vibration" (frequency). Infinity is used when our math fails to allow us to manipulate anything further, as when we try to divide by zero, etc. Verbally, it is okay to say it represents everything in the universe but not because the math proves it. As Arach said, if you cannot explain the math verbally, you do not understand it.
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. ..as Arach said, if you cannot explain the math verbally, you do not understand it.
Infinity is a concept that describes a reality.
Eternity is a comcept that describes a reality.
They are aspects of never ending, goes on forever, without limit, boundless, endless.
That is all omni means : all, and without end.
I understand that. For some reason people go all wonky over it and their eyes bug out and they run out of the room screaming noooooooo. Omni. Caaaaaant beeeeeeeeee as they recede in the distance flailing about with their hands.
Somebody please try to explain why that creeps people out.
The math word infinity expresses that concept of never ends. The science discussions in physics of time not being real address eternity. If time does not exist then now goes on forever.
Those are concepts people are familiar with. They are omnis. Knowledge never ends. Learning never ends. There will never come a time when we know everything.
That's omniscient = "all knowledge". What is creepy about that?
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What are the odds of a supernatural being having all it's qualities be 100%. Why not 50% omnipotence and 75% omniscience? What are the odds that some being has everything at maximum? I ask this because believers like to bring up the odds that we just happen to have a planet in just the right place, a certain distance from the sun, a certain tilt,etc. when they want to talk about probabilities of us existing. Discuss.
Omni MEANS "all" -- that's 100%. The attributes of god are supposedly that he is ALL knowing, ALL powerful and ALL good. "75% omniscience" is like "75% black" or 75% "circular": grey and elliptical are not black or circular. So regardless of the odds, the framing of the question makes dilutions impossible.
Gods who are less than all-powerful are not gods, but demigods or just powerful beings of some kind.
Omni MEANS "all" -- that's 100%. The attributes of god are supposedly that he is ALL knowing, ALL powerful and ALL good. "75% omniscience" is like "75% black" or 75% "circular": grey and elliptical are not black or circular. So regardless of the odds, the framing of the question makes dilutions impossible.
Gods who are less than all-powerful are not gods, but demigods or just powerful beings of some kind.
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So if these are the omnis they don't feel creepy or scary but rather very familiar already)
Omnipresent = everywhere in all places
Omniscient = all knowledge knows everything
Omnipotent = all powerful, unlimited power to create
Eternity = never ends, goes on forever
Infinity = never stops, without end
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