Why 'why?' (church, punished, Christians, devil)

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Vizio

I'm saying that there has to be an uncaused cause. You have yet to provide a counter argument that is logical. I realize that you're simply unable to.

If there can be an uncaused cause, the universe could be it. Or the Big Bang.

But it's certainly not the narcissistic, mass-murdering psychotic in the bible.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

If there can be an uncaused cause, the universe could be it. Or the Big Bang.

Except that something cannot cause itself to exist. If it didn't exist, how could it cause itself to exist?


Still waiting.

[southernbored]

Originally Posted by Vizio

I'm saying that there has to be an uncaused cause. You have yet to provide a counter argument that is logical. I realize that you're simply unable to.

No, you aren't. You are saying, "There has to be an uncaused cause, so therefore that uncaused cause is the God the I believe in."


I am not providing an argument about the cause, as I am not qualified to give that answer, and neither are you. I am simply showing that jumping from "We don't know the cause," to "That cause is God", is not a logical argument.


I am also showing your lack of critical thinking when you said EVERYTHING has to have a cause, except for God of course, he doesn't count.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Except that something cannot cause itself to exist. If it didn't exist, how could it cause itself to exist?


Still waiting.

Then how did your god cause itself to exist?

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Then how did your god cause itself to exist?

The cosmological argument logically proves that an uncaused cause has to exist. It says nothing about my God specifically.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Vizio

The cosmological argument logically proves that an uncaused cause has to exist.

LOL!

Thanks again.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

LOL!

Thanks again.

Still waiting.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Still waiting.

Looks like you'll be waiting a long, long time.

But someday, maybe, you'll wake up.

You're too smart to keep lying to yourself forever.

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Except that something cannot cause itself to exist. If it didn't exist, how could it cause itself to exist?


Still waiting.

Maybe the same way that the Christian God caused itself to exist?

[badlander]

Originally Posted by Vizio

My proof is that the universe exists. The question has yet to be answered "Why?"

You didn't like the response so you changed the question. You should be proud of yourself.