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Old 03-10-2016, 06:39 PM
 
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Vizio, you didn't answer the question in post #99. I'm interested to know how old you think the universe is? Are you a proponent of the Big Bang Theory yourself?

Still waiting...
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Old 03-10-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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Why 'why?'

'why not?'

better....

Because 'because'.
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Old 03-11-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Vizio, you didn't answer the question in post #99. I'm interested to know how old you think the universe is? Are you a proponent of the Big Bang Theory yourself?
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Still waiting...
<crickets>
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Not really no. It may be a popular belief but it's not a universal belief. The theory of the Big Bang has many problems, not least of which, every single law of physics breaks down at the supposed point of the big bang. There have always been other theories running alongside the theory of the big bang. Read about Roger Penrose cyclical model for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confor...clic_cosmology
You can still accept some form of big bang theory while also speculating that the universe may be infinite and eternal.

There is current research going on that revisits the idea that the universe had no beginning.
Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning
Ok...so there are different theories of how the universe began and when it began. Yay...doesn't change the fact that from what I've seen it's almost universal that it had a beginning.
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Same way you cross any amount of time to get to "now".
No. Not the same way. "Eternal" means that it is not just a big number...but that it can't be measured and is impossible to cross.
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That's absolutely not what entropy means. Entropy in relation to the Big Bang theory, means that the universe was once a highly ordered state.

Are you arguing in favor of the Big Bang now? That you believe the universe is over 13 billion years old?
According to this link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...thermodynamics , it suggests that entropy in regards to the universe would mean that the usable energy in the universe would simply disperse given enough time. If that was the case, the order in the universe that we see now would have been gone--as it has had an eternity to do so.
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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STILL waiting....
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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STILL waiting....
I think you mean, STILL ducking, deflecting and running.
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:48 AM
 
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I think you mean, STILL ducking, deflecting and running.
Just answer the question, then. How did the universe get here? Give me an answer and you'll see no ducking, deflecting or running from me.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Just answer the question, then. How did the universe get here? Give me an answer and you'll see no ducking, deflecting or running from me.
I did answer.

As have many others. It is the ONLY answer:

I don't know.

And neither do you.

And you STILL haven't answered Cruithne.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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Just answer the question, then. How did the universe get here? Give me an answer and you'll see no ducking, deflecting or running from me.
Nobody knows the answer.

Which strongly suggests that the Christian God is the correct explanation.

Right?

Didit fallacy - RationalWiki
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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Nobody knows the answer.

Which strongly suggests that the Christian God is the correct explanation.

Right?

Didit fallacy - RationalWiki
It means that SOMETHING caused it to exist because it couldn't have gotten here by natural means. I've repeatedly told you and others here that the Cosmological argument does not make a case for the Biblical God. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the "Kalaam Cosmological Argument" was developed by a Muslim.
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