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This is what all nonbelievers should do now in this life before they die.
Phil:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
If they die as lost nonbelievers they will bow to Our Lord Jesus and confess to God.
But it won't do them any good.
Rom:14:11: For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.
So by your own definition, you are a Fundie too. You believe that your views are correct and opposing views are wrong.
See your last several posts.
I am a "Fundie" about some things in my life...but my Fundamentalism on this issue doesn't cut it.
See, I don't consider the Religious Theists to be wrong (they have their ancient traditions & writings and perceptions to substantiate their view)...I don't see the Atheists as wrong (they have their view based upon lack of what they see as a requirement of empirical proof)...I don't see any others as wrong either, for all views on the issue are unique since no two have the exact same view. I don't see anybody as "wrong"...I'm cool with all beliefs/faiths anyone chooses to hold.
Also...you need the work to back up the view to be titled a "Fundie"....you have to "earn" it!
To use your example---If one just merely didn't believe in the Easter Bunny, then they would not be a "Fundie" relative to their lack of belief in such an entity. But if they spent serious time and effort (like the time and effort it takes to put up a thousand posts to a internet forum in a couple of months) debating people that did believe in the existence of the Easter Bunny, going back and forth about how they were wrong and that the Easter Bunny didn't really exist...then they would qualify as a "Fundie Non-Easter-Bunnyist".
BTW...Thanx, that's the best thing I've seen on this forum in a while. "Fundie Non-Easter-Bunnyist"...I love it!!
How fervently held the position is and the effort to put it forth, is the key to being a "Fundie" about anything.
I'm a "Be Nice to Porno-Girls Fundie". I have been in the porn business for 30 years...I believe that the girls that populate the industry should be treated decently...and I have expended a lot of time, effort, and expense defending them and shielding them from chronic negative judgement and treatment that is directed toward them.
Add a "Ban Cigarettes Fundie" too...those things are HORRIBLE...and anybody that says or thinks different is WROOOOOOONG in my view. I push that pretty hard as well.
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This is what all nonbelievers should do now in this life before they die.
Phil:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
If they die as lost nonbelievers they will bow to Our Lord Jesus and confess to God.
But it won't do them any good.
Rom:14:11: For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.
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I see. But I'm not worried about it...and I'll tell you why.
I'll 'splain to ya why you, nor anyone else, need worry about any of this.
Based on the "Standards" I know of that are required for Heaven...I "miss by a mile"...so I'm going to be sent to Hell.
I'm sure I won't be in a very good mood at that time...what with just having dealt with that "dying" stuff and all...and the long trip "down".
So when Satan comes over to give me grief...I'm gonna catch an attitude and proceed to stomp him into the coals. I'm gonna take his trident and "shove it where the flames don't glow"...pointy end first...and that will be that for that.
THEN...since that's where all my friends (and all the other fun people) will be...we're gonna crank up the air-conditioning, and start a HUUUUUUUGE party...we'll use the flames for BBQing. All the drunks will be there...so there will be plenty of beer, wine and booze...not to mention all the "bad boys" and "wild girls". Everybody that is bowing from a kneeling position "up above" is gonna see all the FUN we are having, and split that scene and join us. So, we are all gonna end up in the same place anyway.
And THAT is why you, nor anyone else, has to worry about anything...at least not after I am sent to Hades. But I figure I'll probably be one of the first one's sent...so it won't be long.
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This is what all nonbelievers should do now in this life before they die.
Phil:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
If they die as lost nonbelievers they will bow to Our Lord Jesus and confess to God.
But it won't do them any good.
Rom:14:11: For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.
I too miss rifleman, Gldn. Your penchant for seeking to provoke the fanatics on all sides of the aisle for your own amusement is not well understood. The only real intolerance I have ever seen you express has been your homo-misia. But you are not phobic just unwilling to see it as anything but a fetish.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Think: Enjoying the comedy of Don Rickles---It is not what is said, as much as the reaction to it, that is amusing. But it takes what is said to get the reaction.
BUT...Joking is one thing, insulting and hateful bashing is very different. Through all of human history...people have fought with those that differed from them...and pointing out the differences and directing true mocking and insulting of the "others" for their differing views and ways is a pretty sure method to get a ruckus going. And now-a-days with modern technology, the "offended" party can be at your doorstep from anywhere else in the world in a matter of hours.
Oh I DO understand the difference . . . and respect you for it, Gldn. I was just reminding you and those who might not realize it that there is a significant difference between you and those who mock and ridicule.
And you should expand your reading choices. You may learn something of value.
Good point. Buddhists, for example, have been working at this longer than Christians. They have realized that there are a number of paths to God. Christianity is a more naive faith excessively paranoid about the loss of earthy power from recognizing such realities, and as such is corrupted in that regard. Perhaps it is time to choose a better source.
I don't really do that Trout. I just happen to remember a lot of the discussions I have had on this board...most threads are a rehash of old subjects brought up to bash differing viewpoints anyway. Most of what this board has become is slamming of religion by Militant Fundie Anti-Religion Atheists and as you can see that is at least half the threads.
All one has to do is a search of their posts using keywords to recall main points...and it brings them right up.
We all have our reasons for being on this board...mine is probably rather rare and unique. It is mostly to take up lagtime in my work that requires me to be on the computer. I try to offer stuff that will elicit strong responses...as I am looking to read responses that will interest/amuse me. Half of my posts now are just cut & paste of old posts. Quick way to serve my purpose...as they still get the hoped for returns. Thanx to all of you for that.
Hmm. I don't see that at all to be honest. But then I don't read the vast majority of the threads - I just read the ones that look interesting to me - so I'll have to take your word for that.
I do tend to read the same types of threads, so I tend to come across the same types of people and what I see most of the time is people simply defending their own position.
Let's not forget that atheists have been in the minority since time immemorial. Historically we have had to do an awful lot of listening to atheist bashing. Maybe, if what you say is true, this is just our time? I don't know.
I think all most people are doing is defending their position. This is a time of enlightenment where people are starting to view the world in a different way. All I see is that we are celebrating that, and many times (not always) atheism is just a natural progression of a scientific understanding. Now if in a discussion we happen to say that we don't believe 'x' because we understand 'y' to be true, and then people get offended by that, well that's something we can't really help.
I do think it is important to be respectful of people's beliefs. I hate the thought that I might have upset someone's day because of something I said, but neither am I going to hide what I believe to be the truth. If people are going to be offended by that, I have to wonder about their faith in the first place.
A persons faith in what they believe should be strong enough to not be worried about my opinion.
And don't forget this is a discussion forum. It would be a mightily dull place if we all agreed with one another.
I see. But I'm not worried about it...and I'll tell you why.
I'll 'splain to ya why you, nor anyone else, need worry about any of this.
Based on the "Standards" I know of that are required for Heaven...I "miss by a mile"...so I'm going to be sent to Hell.
I'm sure I won't be in a very good mood at that time...what with just having dealt with that "dying" stuff and all...and the long trip "down".
So when Satan comes over to give me grief...I'm gonna catch an attitude and proceed to stomp him into the coals. I'm gonna take his trident and "shove it where the flames don't glow"...pointy end first...and that will be that for that.
THEN...since that's where all my friends (and all the other fun people) will be...we're gonna crank up the air-conditioning, and start a HUUUUUUUGE party...we'll use the flames for BBQing. All the drunks will be there...so there will be plenty of beer, wine and booze...not to mention all the "bad boys" and "wild girls". Everybody that is bowing from a kneeling position "up above" is gonna see all the FUN we are having, and split that scene and join us. So, we are all gonna end up in the same place anyway.
And THAT is why you, nor anyone else, has to worry about anything...at least not after I am sent to Hades. But I figure I'll probably be one of the first one's sent...so it won't be long.
So Gldnrule, please don't take this the wrong way - you know I love chatting with you - and don't take this as a 'have a go at Gldnrule day' post, but I was just struck by your post here.
I admit I skipped over it at first and didn't read it until just now. Anytime anyone quotes the bible, I tend to glaze over and skip that, as well as any responses to it.
But how is your imaginary scenario here ^^^ any different to what Stephen Fry said?
The only difference is that his imaginary scene was set by the Pearly Gate whereas yours is set in hell.
Don't many theists who believe in the Pearly Gates also believe in hell?
Didn't you say this earlier?:
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Fry knows full well how a great percentage of people in this world feel about their faith, their theological beliefs, and what they perceive as their connection to their Deity. But he sneers and insults and mocks anyway.
Of course we all know that anyone in the hypothetical scenario of being at the Pearly Gates, encountering God (it is the location of the "Pearly Pates" in the proposed scene that necessarily sets up what "God" is being encountered), and "discovering it's all true", that, regardless of what they ever thought up to that point, would ever be doing anything but confessing, repenting, worshiping, praying, and all that, so as to do everything they could to get into "heaven" and avoid being sent to "hell".
But Fry is so arrogant and flippant (like I said before, it could be a manifestation of his illness) that he claims that he would insult and mock God right to his face...which, of course, is preposterous, as well as completely idiotic. Though, it seems he has the good sense to not put forth his insults and mocks in any Muslim countries where he knows the Believers would deal with him. So, to claim he would insult God at the Pearly Gates (in any context) knowing the result would be eternal torment, is really over-the-top.
As I have said before...I'm hateful, toward hate...I am intolerant, of intolerance...I am biased, against bias.
Fundies like Fry are the poster children of those that are so arrogant that the deep beliefs and feelings of others mean less to them than whatever self satisfaction they get from spewing insults and mocking of the differing views and perceptions. They are no different than the religious Fundies that insult and mock those that don't see things the way they do.
Aren't you doing EXACTLY the same thing by pretending to shove Satan's trident where the sun don't shine? I don't see the difference. You've just switched God for Satan is all.
Doesn't this make your comments proposterous and completely idiotic, arrogant, mocking and insulting and spewing nonsense from your blowhole?
Aren't you doing EXACTLY the same thing by pretending to shove Satan's trident where the sun don't shine? I don't see the difference. You've just switched God for Satan is all.
Doesn't this make your comments proposterous and completely idiotic, arrogant, mocking and insulting and spewing nonsense from your blowhole?
So Gldnrule, please don't take this the wrong way - you know I love chatting with you - and don't take this as a 'have a go at Gldnrule day' post, but I was just struck by your post here.
I admit I skipped over it at first and didn't read it until just now. Anytime anyone quotes the bible, I tend to glaze over and skip that, as well as any responses to it.
But how is your imaginary scenario here ^^^ any different to what Stephen Fry said?
The only difference is that his imaginary scene was set by the Pearly Gate whereas yours is set in hell.
Don't many theists who believe in the Pearly Gates also believe in hell?
Didn't you say this earlier?:
Aren't you doing EXACTLY the same thing by pretending to shove Satan's trident where the sun don't shine? I don't see the difference. You've just switched God for Satan is all.
Doesn't this make your comments proposterous and completely idiotic, arrogant, mocking and insulting and spewing nonsense from your blowhole?
I really don't get it.
I love my exchanges with you too...so, of course I'll explain how it is different.
FIRST: Fry had his scenario set for him, and was responding to it. While I set my own scenario, and thus was able to control the whole thing. Even up to and including a fix of the problem oft proffered by the Nonbelievers of having to eternally bow and grovel in heaven. How could I be idiotic, when I fixed everybody's afterlife everything?!!
Fry solved nothing...he just set himself up for eternal torment and did nothing to help anybody else either. THAT is idiotic!
SECOND: Fry was slamming the entity that is supposedly the Creator and equated with love, joy, and goodness. I was putting it on the entity that is supposedly against the Creator and equated with hatred, pain, and evil. That it is Satan (evil) instead of God (good) I put it to is what makes all the difference in the entire vibe of my game.
THIRD: It was obvious to anybody what I put forth was a joke and intended to be completely in jest (I've put that up a bunch of times)...OTOH Fry was completely serious and putting forth the position he actually thinks and feels that he has stated many, many times before.
Be well...and try to stay warm.
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