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Old 08-13-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Earth. For now.
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Actually, he rose from the dead, and is still alive in Heaven. He is God--and he directed the writing of the Bible.
Now, this is a point that I've always had a hard time with and I've never received a satisfactory answer from fundamentalists.

If Jesus rose from the dead in a physical body, then he's alive right now somewhere in this physical universe.

Where? Mars? Pluto? Kepler 62-e? Can we get there with a rocketship? Is heaven orbiting Alpha Centauri? If heaven "exists" then so does hell, right? Is it on Mercury?
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Now, this is a point that I've always had a hard time with and I've never received a satisfactory answer from fundamentalists.

If Jesus rose from the dead in a physical body, then he's alive right now somewhere in this physical universe.

Where? Mars? Pluto? Kepler 62-e? Can we get there with a rocketship? Is heaven orbiting Alpha Centauri? If heaven "exists" then so does hell, right? Is it on Mercury?

I have no idea. He ascended into heaven in a physical body and exists in Heaven as a man. He now intercedes on our behalf as a priest. I don't know if that is some kind of new dimension, or a physical planet somewhere.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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I think I am gaining an understanding as to why I prefer to live among the Lakota.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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Careful my friend you might get labelled a heathen,
Although you and I differ considerably about religious beliefs I do appreciate the fact you emphasize what you believe without pointing a finger at what you consider wrong about my beliefs.
Your spirituality is sincere and your agape love is evident, my friend. It matters not WHY. The rest is all so much human vanity and hubris over nothing.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Your spirituality is sincere and your agape love is evident, my friend. It matters not WHY. The rest is all so much human vanity and hubris over nothing.
Good stuff.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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I have no idea. He ascended into heaven in a physical body and exists in Heaven as a man. He now intercedes on our behalf as a priest. I don't know if that is some kind of new dimension, or a physical planet somewhere.
Why don't you ask him? We're all very curious.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I think I am gaining an understanding as to why I prefer to live among the Lakota.
Why? You don't like ptsum just because he is Tsalagi?
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Why? You don't like ptsum just because he is Tsalagi?
My second wife who passed away was Tsalagi.

My current wife is Cheyenne Often considered a Sister to the Lakota as they were united with Sitting Bull and Cheyenne warriors did take part in the Battle of the Little Big Horn.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Do you think the followers of other religions are all going to hell?
I absolutely do not believe they are going to Hell. And BTW, I'm Mormon.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:16 PM
 
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Do you think the followers of other religions are all going to hell? Lets say you are Christian. Well if you are not baptized and believe in Jesus Christ and all this other nonsense, you make people believe hey are going to hell so that they conform to their own region. Hell is just a way to scare people into following. The same way with the Amish and Muslims. The Amish believe that their own people go to hell for all sorts of stupid reasons. But what if you are a totally different religion? Then all of them are going to hell? That is most of the world! Muslims believe they will get 42 virgins in heaven, and probably that christians are going to hell. Christians believe that Muslims are going to hell. This is according to the criteria that their own religions set for going to heaven. So how can you say that your relgion is right. The only reason you are your religion is because you were raised that religion. IF you were raised Jewish you would be Jewish.

BTW, I'm Agnostic/Atheist.
Religion has nothing to do with salvation. Religion is nothing more than an organized approach to God. Jesus' sacrifice is a finished work. We are righteous by His obedience, not our own. (Romans 5:19) While I believe most people will be saved in the great tribulation (as everyone who is not raptured in Jesus' second coming will be in this event), I do believe anyone who rejects Jesus to the bitter end will not be saved.
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