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Old 09-01-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The Supreme Court has ruled that religious thought but not religious ritual is protected, but that favors Christianity and disfavors Judaism.

How so?
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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Another case would be that if a law were imposed that represented a specifically religious idea or something unique to a religious belief. That would be unconstitutional.
That's exactly what is wrong with the prohibition of polygamy: it's something unique to a single, in this case, Christian religious belief.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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How so?
Much of Judaism is ritual: prohibition against eating other than kosher food (except when necessary to save a life); lighting Shabbat candles; prohibition against any form of work on Shabbat; lighting Chanukah Menorah; fasting on Yom Kippur; circumcision of male child on the 8th say (except when medical problems delay, or, may even, prevent); etc., etc.

Christianity has none such rituals.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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That's exactly what is wrong with the prohibition of polygamy: it's something unique to a single, in this case, Christian religious belief.
I already agreed with you on this point, Walter. So, I'm not sure why you're quoting my post. You are "preaching to the choir", pun intended.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Much of Judaism is ritual: prohibition against eating other than kosher food (except when necessary to save a life); lighting Shabbat candles; prohibition against any form of work on Shabbat; lighting Chanukah Menorah; fasting on Yom Kippur; circumcision of male child on the 8th say (except when medical problems delay, or, may even, prevent); etc., etc.

Christianity has none such rituals.

All of those things are still perfectly legal, to my knowledge. No?

Some Christian sects certainly have rituals. Catholocism springs immediately to mind with things like confession, prayer candles, Lent, etc.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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That's exactly what is wrong with the prohibition of polygamy: it's something unique to a single, in this case, Christian religious belief.
Polygamy is a good example. General laws against polygamy won't be ruled unconstitutional because of the establishment clause. There are secular interests in the prohibition. My own opposition to civil polygamy has nothing to do with religion. I just don't have a feel for how it would work in the context of all our laws that presume 2 people in a marriage--- social security, child custody, insurance, etc.

Will courts eventually permit polygamy for those whose religion commands it ? Possible. I think courts have carved out religious exemptions to general laws. Peyote use comes to mind.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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Congrats on seeing the error in your previous way of thinking.

Your new correct way of thinking is more in tune with representative government and the Bill of Rights.
You forgot about the first amendment..
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Will courts eventually permit polygamy for those whose religion commands it ?
While all religions, except most forms of Christianity, do not prohibit polygamy, as far as I know, none require polygamy.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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All of those things are still perfectly legal, to my knowledge. No?
At this time, yes.

However, there are many who want to ban circumcision and shechita (kosher slaughter).
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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But then, the law itself has nothing to do with religion; the lawmakers simply have religious (or non-religious, as the case may be) reasons for wanting the law to be passed. We're free to vote (or not vote) as our concience dictates -- whether for religious or personal reasons, or simply because we think a purple hippopotamus named 'Henry' told us to.
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This has been my point the entire time. When asked what we should do about those voting on religious beliefs, hooligan replied that that is what the supreme court is for.
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