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. You insult yourself, no need for me to do it. You are making a fool of yourself because you are giving links that you clearly haven't researched. I know exactly what you are doing. You are just typing "evidence for Jesus" into a search engine and accepting whatever comes up. Invariably, what comes up is Josephus et al....but you haven't actually researched Josephus have you? You haven't actually tried to find out whether or not Josephus (or any of the other historians in your link) did mention Jesus have you? Nope! You just accepted the Bible apologist junk that came up at face value and that's what makes you look foolish.
You really are out of your depth here pal.
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There is a collection such accounts. Mark, Matthew and John.
No there aren't. The gospels are anonymous- written by people who never knew any Jesus.
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the NT has been challeged since at least 1750 to no avail (despite what you read on the internet).
See what I mean about making yourself look foolish?
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Time to find another topic with which to stir the pot!
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It's no different than if I put up links auguring that an embryo is the existence of a distinct, separate, human being...and you say. "But Gldn, THEY ARE ALL EMBRYOLOGISTS...GET IT?".
Come off it brother. I have an astonishingly good memory and I recall, when you pulled it up last time, that you admitted that you hadn't even bothered to find out anything about those people on the list AND you also admitted that it was crap in the way of evidence.
Nah man, you don't understand. Jesus is so real he has two totally different paternal grandfathers. That makes him twice as real as a person with only one.
Ah! The atheist prefers that I don't use source materials which support the Christian POV.
Hey! Now there is a sensible "rule"!
But, based on that:
If it is held by the Atheists that the Theists can't/shouldn't support their contentions using intuition and perception, or Theist based material....it should also hold, the scientists can't/shouldn't support their side of the debate using theories and facts, or any science based material.
But, based on that:
If it is held by the Atheists that the Theists can't/shouldn't support their contentions using intuition and perception, or Theist based material....it should also hold, the scientists can't/shouldn't support their side of the debate using theories and facts, or any science based material.
I like to parallel his virgin birth, ministry, heavenly father, crucifiction and resurrection to the story of Horus...the Egyptian sun god. Some version of this story went around the middle east for 3000 years. It was told no less than two dozen times. It just happened that the Jewish version was last.
The Jews wrote the stories about Jesus and they don't even believe them.
Ah! The atheist prefers that I don't use source materials which support the Christian POV.
Perhaps you should learn how to read.
The fact is that a bible and tract publisher doesn't have the credibility to engage in this kind of debate. Even if one of their authors did come to the opposite conclusion, it would never get published.
If there were irrefutable facts that supported Jesus' existence we wouldn't be having this argument.
The truth is there is no evidence. Jesus may have existed, there were many so-called Messiahs back then, but did he do miracles...no. Was he raised from the dead...no
Was he god, who sent himself back to save mankind from himself...LOL...what a silly story...come on...no reasonable intelligent human being could truly believe that.
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