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Old 03-01-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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[quote=jimmiej;18078931]interesting that you won't answer my question.

It's a fact he believes it, yes.



I'm not questioning it. But, his believing it doesn't make it a fact.



Is the moon made of green cheese, just because i believe it? Let me answer for you. No!


He either is or isn't.



Again, your opinion, not fact (truth). It's subjective.


And your belief in jesus, the nt and christianity as provable truth is not fact but just in the eye of the beholder......... Theory, your theory, an opinion....

Belief is an opinion, not fact nor truth....
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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It seems you do WANT to believe we live in a just world. The evidence shows otherwise. If you believe there is some sort of justice in an afterlife, that is fine for you, but there is no evidence to support it.

Do you believe the same things are good or bad in all cultures?
Do you agree with the cultures that believe genital mutilation of girls is good?
How about the cultures that practiced human sacrifice? To them, that was a good thing.

I could go on and on with more examples of things people do in different cultures that you would think are wrong. And they would think are right.

That would make morals relative to the culture they are practiced in, wouldn't it?
Even if I knew for a fact there was no afterlife and that we would never get punished or rewarded for anything we did, I still would not do any evil. Why? Because I have a moral compass, I know what is good and what is bad. I'm aware if I cause pain to others. I never said the practices in other countries were good because they are said to be good there, on the contrary, I believe they KNOW it's wrong, but people try to justify their acts on tradition or whatever. Just because someone says something is "good" doesn't make it good, we know deep inside that it is not. Like I said, I do not believe good and evil is relative.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And your belief in jesus, the nt and christianity as provable truth is not fact but just in the eye of the beholder......... Theory, your theory, an opinion....

Belief is an opinion, not fact nor truth....
I never said otherwise. There are many opinions (beliefs), but only one truth.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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I never said otherwise. There are many opinions (beliefs), but only one truth.
Just out of curiosity, what is that only one truth? I would guess that it is we are all going to die someday.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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I never said otherwise. There are many opinions (beliefs), but only one truth.

You cannot have it both ways:

My kids are great kids, my opinion, but to me a fact.

Dew's hubby thinks she is the most beautiful, his opinion, but a fact to him.

Jesus is god, NT is literal, Christianity is truth, your opinion, but fact to you.


You say the first and second can't be fact, I say that what you say also cannot be fact but is your opinion.

All three are opinions people have but are fact to them but still opinions.

Christianity is not the truth.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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My kids are great kids, my opinion, but to me a fact.
Not necessarily the truth. You're biased. Others might disagree with you.

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Dew's hubby thinks she is the most beautiful, his opinion, but a fact to him.
Opinion.

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Jesus is god, NT is literal, Christianity is truth, your opinion, but fact to you.
Yes, this is what I believe, but whether it's the truth is yet to be known.

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You say the first and second can't be fact, I say that what you say also cannot be fact but is your opinion.
Agreed.

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All three are opinions people have but are fact to them but still opinions.
More like presumptions.

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Christianity is not the truth.
Is that truth or your opinion?
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Just out of curiosity, what is that only one truth? I would guess that it is we are all going to die someday.
You misunderstand. I was responding to this:

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I think we are all supposed to find our own truths
and this:

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truth is in the eyes of the beholder
The Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc. can't all have the truth. One of them is truth, or possibly none of them. There is only one truth.
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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If I believe in God, shouldn't I also believe there was a first man and woman and that we didn't evolve from apes?
Maybe dogs are the creatures made in the image of the god you think is real. After all, 'god' spelled backward is 'dog'.

By many measures, dogs are more advanced than humans. For example, I have never seen a dog following a human and picking up their poop.
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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You misunderstand. I was responding to this:



and this:



The Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc. can't all have the truth. One of them is truth, or possibly none of them. There is only one truth.

Okay. What is the one truth?
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Okay. What is the one truth?
About what?
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