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Old 08-23-2013, 12:22 PM
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If he's going to the therapist, he's got the wherewithal, motivation and self-awareness to sort himself out. I'd say about 70-80% of the population should be in therapy, but most are too self-delusional or apathetic to go, or they cannot afford it. Going to a therapist is like going to the gym, for your brain. The self-awareness of a brain about its own thought patterns, motivations, ruts and delusions (and the largely childhood and adolescent bases for those - that's when the brain is developing and making its synapses) is limited. In short, n is not sufficient, n+1 is better - a second brain.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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typically in mens minds having "problems" makes him a weaker individual then those who do not share the same issues.

its also why men in general have such a hard time seeking help unless pushed in to it. its a self admittance of weakness.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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If he's going to the therapist, he's got the wherewithal, motivation and self-awareness to sort himself out. I'd say about 70-80% of the population should be in therapy, but most are too self-delusional or apathetic to go, or they cannot afford it. Going to a therapist is like going to the gym, for your brain. The self-awareness of a brain about its own thought patterns, motivations, ruts and delusions (and the largely childhood and adolescent bases for those - that's when the brain is developing and making its synapses) is limited. In short, n is not sufficient, n+1 is better - a second brain.

self awareness is bad for you more often than not

the happiest people I know are not in the least bit self conscious

people didn't go to therapy a hundred years ago
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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She deserves to know the truth. She deserves to know WHOM and WHAT she is dealing with.
Exactly!
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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self awareness is bad for you more often than not

the happiest people I know are not in the least bit self conscious

people didn't go to therapy a hundred years ago
Sure they did. Freud and Jung were around then. But outside of Europe, they'd go to see the local healer. In many parts of the world, they still do.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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typically in mens minds having "problems" makes him a weaker individual then those who do not share the same issues.

its also why men in general have such a hard time seeking help unless pushed in to it. its a self admittance of weakness.
Thank heaven the old macho mold has been broken, and men can finally feel free to be themselves, and get help when they need it! This will lead to a healthier, happier male population.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:30 PM
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self awareness is bad for you more often than not

the happiest people I know are not in the least bit self conscious

people didn't go to therapy a hundred years ago

If you're self-concious you might want to go to therapy if you haven't sorted it out yourself. Not the same as being self-aware. But sure, there's no need to be self-aware. Monekys and cats aren't and they do fine.

People also didn't go the gym a hundred years ago, use antibiotics or go on facebook. So what?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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If you're self-concious you might want to go to therapy if you haven't sorted it out yourself. Not the same as being self-aware. But sure, there's no need to be self-aware. Monekys and cats aren't and they do fine.

People also didn't go the gym a hundred years ago, use antibiotics or go on facebook. So what?
lolol! At least these threads are good for an occasional laugh! lol!

Couldn't rep you....
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Thank heaven the old macho mold has been broken, and men can finally feel free to be themselves, and get help when they need it! This will lead to a healthier, happier male population.

you could not be more wrong , the feminisation of the male sex has made life hell for young men , traditional male charechter traits are relentlessly demonised and potrayed as at best out of date and in need of fixing and at worst , dangerous
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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Thank heaven the old macho mold has been broken, and men can finally feel free to be themselves, and get help when they need it! This will lead to a healthier, happier male population.
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you could not be more wrong , the feminisation of the male sex has made life hell for young men , traditional male charechter traits are relentlessly demonised and potrayed as at best out of date and in need of fixing and at worst , dangerous
This is actually the real issue because you what you guys are saying right neither one is the dominating ideal but it is all fragmented. It cause confusion because people apply different views to these different ideals and for many people that confusion jumbles them up. On one hand a guy is told that they should seek the help they need and should not find shame in that, on the other they are told that they are suppose to be in control and decisive at all times. Its this weird meter many guys feel that they have to make sure they don't become too unmanly and both genders and age group contribute to this.

Neither of those two ideals are in control but both are in spiral and that is to often ignored in my opinion.

To the OP I understand your feelings but I can't really give you much advice both of you are within your right you for wanting and him for withholding. These things take time and maybe you can hope for details being opened up little by little instead of a complete opening up of his problems.
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