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Old 09-16-2010, 09:51 PM
 
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I was just wondering because I would love to see that intersection get to Holly Springs/Kildaire Farm Rd which would give us a two minute drive to the on ramp

I agree. That will be very convenient!
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Apex, NC
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So they used my taxes to pay for the northern section of 540 which I never use, and because I live in Southern Wake Co. I'll have to pay a toll to get on?

That doesn't seem too fair, how about they put tolls on the current section of 540 to pay for the construction of the south... then remove the tolls when it's completed?
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Old 09-17-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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For every person in South Wake who paid taxes 1980-2000 to pay for the initial 540, there were at least five persons in North Wake who paid them. That was the population ratio of North Wake to South Wake at the time.

I-540 through North Wake carries 100,000 vehicles a day in places, and the number is still increasing. It's one of the busiest freeways in the entire state... way more than US 1/64 in Cary, for example. Traffic forecasts for 540 in South Wake just aren't that high.

If you want to wait until 2025 or 2030 for the South Wake freeway -- that's about how long we waited up north for I-540 -- then you probably wouldn't have to pay tolls.
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Old 09-17-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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If you want to wait until 2025 or 2030 for the South Wake freeway -- that's about how long we waited up north for I-540 -- then you probably wouldn't have to pay tolls.
Oh please please please! I'd be retired and living out of my Winnebago by then
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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The northern most option doesn't seem to be the best VOI (volume on investment). There is not a great distance from there to 440/40 and with the widening of 40 coming close to being done it would just seem silly to spend money on a looping toll road than to just drive a straight shot on 40. The further southwest they move the toll road, the more sense it makes to reach existing and soon to be additional sprawling customers.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:01 AM
 
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^Agreed. It seems to me that if they don't take it far enough south then they are just going to need to build another highway in 10 years time.
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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You cannot pave your way out of congestion. Look at D.C., Los Angeles, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc.

Mike
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Old 09-18-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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Nor can you build mass transit fast enough to avoid congestion. DC and Atlanta have had mass transit since the 1970s (I lived in Atlanta when MARTA opened its rail system). Their systems work well, but they have done little to prevent sprawl.

North Carolina desperately needs an improved transportation infrastructure, and that includes local mass transit, intercity rail, new highways, and expanded highways. Unfortunately no one has figured out how to fund it yet.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:35 PM
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North Carolina desperately needs an improved transportation infrastructure, and that includes local mass transit, intercity rail, new highways, and expanded highways. Unfortunately no one has figured out how to fund it yet.
Oh it'll magically get funded when gas prices sky-rocket again and stay there longer than what was occurring a year or so ago. Right now there just isn't enough of a motivational factor for the general population to do it.

I'd use lite rail to/from work every day if I could. I live in downtown Raleigh and work in downtown Durham. I-40 makes me rage every day. If I could cut that stress out of my life I would be a happier individual.
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Old 09-18-2010, 03:46 PM
 
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Oh it'll magically get funded when gas prices sky-rocket again
You may be right, but that's what they said in Atlanta when gas prices were still 30 cents a gallon. A lot of MARTA that was planned, was never built.. although politics had a lot to do with that.

DC pretty much built its Metro to the original design, although the Green Line took a long time. These days they're struggling to keep up with growth by adding a Silver Line towards Dulles... about 25 years behind the curve.
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