Is it accurate to say a marijuana high makes you "more conscious", while being drunk on alcohol makes you "less consciou (responsibility, relationship)
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How about strong sativa + 2 mgs Etizolam + 90 mgs Dextromethorphan? Now that's the ticket. Euphoric, energizing, useful, both introspective and social, and relatively safe.
Between the two, say, moderate drinking vs. moderate smoking (vs. dabbing, ingesting, hashing, etc.) of a not-too-strong, middle of the road cannabis, I would say the initial assessment is accurate, if simplistic.
I don't find alcohol very useful. Over here I said:
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I find alcohol to be kind of a nasty drug with a crummy body load, no real introspective value, deleterious side effects, and a safety profile that's not that great. There are better drugs than alcohol that could permeate every inch of culture, but this is what we're stuck with.
On the other hand, focused meditation after a significant amount of cannabis, with the attendant free-forming ideations and flights of fancy, can be oustanding.
Similar to those who can dance SO WELL after a few beers.
And play the guitar and sing!! Gaaaa!
How about this song----------> Um, ( clearing throat) ... You light up my life you give me hope to car-rrr-y on ah you give me hope to go on------nnnnn!
too funny. ( song is by Debbie Boone btw- you light up my life)
How about strong sativa + 2 mgs Etizolam + 90 mgs Dextromethorphan? Now that's the ticket. Euphoric, energizing, useful, both introspective and social, and relatively safe.
Between the two, say, moderate drinking vs. moderate smoking (vs. dabbing, ingesting, hashing, etc.) of a not-too-strong, middle of the road cannabis, I would say the initial assessment is accurate, if simplistic.
I don't find alcohol very useful. Over here I said:
On the other hand, focused meditation after a significant amount of cannabis, with the attendant free-forming ideations and flights of fancy, can be oustanding.
No, not everyone drinks and smokes pot with medication. I don't take either but occasionally I will have a beer just for the taste of something different, not for the alcohol. I am on fetzima, I think ( this time). My mental stability means more to me than just one night of intoxication because that is very short lived and it's all fuzzy and foggy.
Fuzzy and Foggy are just brain reactors that are misfiring and don't really mean anything. It's just empty. So, one will have a few crazy dreams that are magnified with nothingness, which are fuzzy and foggy. Fuzzy and Foggy are not hard to identify because they are usually both voids that are trying to make something that is not there.
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Absolutely alcohol is worse. I speak as someone who's worked in health care for 18 years. Alcohol causes liver damage and severe damage to the brain (it's so common in older drinkers (50+) is has a name, "Alcohol-Induced Dementia). It can cause Diabetes as well. There are no known permanent adverse effects from pot for adults (which, when we speak about legalization, adults are all we are talking about) and many possible benefits. yes, you can get lung damage if you smoke, but many people are using vaporizers now, which produce no smoke and have no adverse effects on the lungs.
It always worries me when anyone is the health care field states something like this. No wonder our heath care sucks.
In my youth, I experimented with marijuana. All it did to me was make me anxious, paranoid, introverted and apathetic; not a pleasurable experience at all. After I was able to get into bars, I quit using it altogether. It really was a crappy buzz, IMHO. I saw far more "burnouts" sitting in stoner circles rapping nonsense about the wonders of mary jane far more often than I saw raving drunks extolling the benefits of alcohol. Both are equally destructive if you make them the focal point of your life experience, IMHO. The worst have to be these clowns who act as if marijuana is some wonder drug that will cure any ailment including cancer just so they can have an excuse for their wake 'n' bake lifestyle. It really is quite pathetic. At least the functioning alcoholics try to keep their problem private.
BTW: If you are sitting in a stoner circle and can't figure out who the burnout is, it's you.
The part about being in a mental fog from overuse is definitely true. I was headed down this path for a while until I seriously cut back. Now I don't smoke more than two bowls in a single day, and I never do dabs of hash oil except on weekends. I feel much better now. I can get high more and feel normal the rest of the time, which ends up making the whole smoking experience better, generally.
Yeah you can be functional smoking only a couple small bowls a day, but that still is a long way from stone cold sobriety. Especially when you meditate every time you get the urge to smoke, which is what I've been working on doing.
All it did to me was make me anxious, paranoid, introverted and apathetic; not a pleasurable experience at all.
Introspective - yes. The idea that cannabis is necessarily a "party drug" or social drug is potentially flawed. Introspection can be part of the deal and in my opinion is part of the benefit.
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It really was a crappy buzz, IMHO.
You might be doing it wrong. No, I take that back. I can't say what goes for some should go for all. To each their own. We all have individual biochemistry as well as mental makeup. But, to me, alcohol is the very definition of a "crappy buzz." Hardly useful. Hardly revealing. Too much body load, numbness with no commensurate benefit, etc. Pretty much worthless.
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Both are equally destructive if you make them the focal point of your life experience...
Well yah. Similar sentences can be said about a great many activities, substances, etc.
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At least the functioning alcoholics try to keep their problem private.
Um, I guess. Actually I'm not actually sure what you're talking about here.
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BTW: If you are sitting in a stoner circle and can't figure out who the burnout is, it's you.
I have no idea what a "stoner circle" is. I suspect, though, that there's some stereotyping and some misconceptions at work here. My personal feeling on the matter is cannabis should be used sparingly and meaningfully. Once a month, in a carefully planned setting, with a goal in mind. Take a lot of it, at the time, but infrequently.
My personal feeling on the matter is cannabis should be used sparingly and meaningfully. Once a month, in a carefully planned setting, with a goal in mind.
No fault in that logic.
Something that has just occured to me - I used to stay with this person who had these friends .... Well, they would get together and smoke weed and get really ... um ... intellectually stimulated and have these great debates, about which they were so exuberant. But to me, they were talking total bullsh1t! Being drunk is no different either, except maybe they get duller and more clumsy rather than more exuberant and just plain silly or dopey. Mostly just dopey. And I have never seen someone high on weed getting aggressive and violent. I can't say the same for alcohol.
It always worries me when anyone is the health care field states something like this. No wonder our heath care sucks.
Care to expand a bit?
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Gaaaa! 
you give me hope 
to car-rrr-y on 
to go on------nnnnn! 
No wonder our heath care sucks.
