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Which seems to get more credo or patients? I have a philosophy that both work if prudently & judiciously used. I have been into manipulation, via chiropractic, for many yrs now being into exercise/fitness.
But now over the yrs, have also learned that herbs, tonics, etc. may actually help alleviate or mitigate certain health conditions & now am a firm believer that alt meds DO indeed work if used expediously.
Anyone care to compare these 2 schools/progams, & their virtues as far as professional longterm career potential w/ baby boomers as pt.'s on the rise as well? Thanks alot.
Let me qualify this thread by asking; if you'd go to one vs the other, which one & why? I'm leaning NMD as it covers more bases but am open to hands-on Chiro as well. Is anyone from these schools on here?
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07-11-2012, 09:59 AM
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are you asking opinions from doctors or patients? i have family that went to western states and one of my chiro's did, as well, but my answer would only be as a patient.
07-11-2012, 10:06 AM
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are you asking opinions from doctors or patients? i have family that went to western states and one of my chiro's did, as well, but my answer would only be as a patient.
Hi. Either way would be ok. Just trying to get a read on how well accepted these programs are. I know here in AZ, they've got the widest scope of practice for NMD. But not sure of DC scope throughout the US, let alone Oregon. I know Western is a leader in alt meds, as viewed by the holistic approach, but beyond that have no idea. Thanks for your info though, too.
07-11-2012, 11:24 AM
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well, let me see if i can make some sense here. i come from the bay area which was very open to alternative therapies. i have two sisters and a brother-in-law that made their living in standard chiropractic. one was in southern cal. and one is west of portland. i forget the name of the traditional therapy but my sister referred to it as "rack 'em and crack 'em". lol. personally, i wouldn't let any of them touch me! one was also trained in accupuncture and one was previously trained as a physical therapist. the pt/dc sister does see a naturopath where she lives, west of portland. i live in a podunky area in southern oregon and see a lot of people that use chiro here. i don't know anybody that sees naturopaths though. i would myself, but just haven't had the money to spend on that so i have never seen one. my first chiro was in san jose. she practiced DNFT. i had a hiatal hernia that had gone misdiagnosed for six years. an herbologist finally correctly diagnosed it in three minutes on the telephone. so one DNFT treatment later and i had no more symptoms whatsoever. i saw that chiro usually about every six months when my lower back went out. she said i was the worst patient she ever had and she couldn't fathom how i managed to walk around standing up straight! she was excellent and an herbologist as well. then i moved south and found a DNFT in Temecula. again, about every six months for lower back. she eventually moved to san diego so i switched chiro's again. the next guy was the best of them all. he combinded DNFT with Cox therapy and correctly assessed that i had a chronic problem that nobody previously had gotten to the bottom of. and he did! then i moved to oregon and knew the closest DNFT was in eugene, an hour away. i think i've been once or twice in seven years. DNFT was life saving for me. The Eugene chiro had gone to Western States. Only having been to him once or twice, i can't really say much about his skill. It was the Murrieta DNFT that was the reason I rarely need care now. Moderator cut: off topic
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As a "baby boomer" or a one considered as such although I dislike that term, I can say that I don't think people over 65 are going to chiropractors or naturopaths any more now that ever before. But I do believe that in Portland and in Oregon in general these practices are very widely accepted and there are many, many practices for both. You would have some competition if you were going out on your own but you would probably be able to find many clinics to connect to.
I don't think it would matter which school to attend as far as popularity goes. Both practices have a need. Moderator cut: off topic
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the naturopathic medical college in Portland
I am very familiar with the National College of Natural Medicine in Portland. It has programs in both naturopathic medicine and classical Chinese medicine. NCNM is a well-recognized authority in naturopathic medical education and has been for 50+ years. Their faculty are both knowledgeable and experienced, and every student and alum that I've met from the school has reported having a good experience and receiving a thorough education there. I should also add that one of the things NCNM is most known for is its scientific research, conducted through the Helfgott Research Institute.
07-12-2012, 10:39 AM
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Although I have never used a naturopath or D.O. I do believe many on the west coast use them, particularly in combination with classical Chinese medicine & acupuncture. This pod-cast, a Commonwealth Club of San Francisco, is well worth a listen:
John Nieters: Traditional Chinese Medicine Today | Commonwealth Club Dr. John Nieters L.Ac.: Expert in Traditional Chinese Medicine: Alameda CA, San Francisco Bay Area
Were I you I would take a look at what health insurance carriers will pay for. I know they are very suspicious of chiropractors for reasons most know. If the other practitioners are not covered recognize that you will be serving the private pay market.
06-16-2015, 10:48 AM
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They are all quacks IMO.
There was the news article from Pennsylvania last week where a little girl died from an ear infection because her parents relied on a homeopathic remedy.
They "did not believe in chemicals".
Here is a story from today's paper about an acupuncturist in Portland being sued for malpractice.
Lawsuit: Man hurt by leftover acupuncture needle seeks $3M
Perhaps it is best to put your money & time to better use by looking into nursing, becoming PA or even a real physician.
06-17-2015, 10:24 AM
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They are all quacks IMO.
Perhaps it is best to put your money & time to better use by looking into nursing, becoming PA or even a real physician.
I'll only speak to chiropractic, but there isn't a single answer. There are roughly speaking, two schools of thought within chiropractic, one of which is medically focused, and the other is a bit more metaphysical.
So which particular college one attends matters somewhat. Likewise, scope of practice for any medical profession varies greatly by state. California, for example, is currently looking at a bill that would significantly expand the scope of practice for pharmacists.
In the state of Oregon, a licensed chiropractor has to pass a rigorous state licensure exam, because chiropractic is a licensed primary care medical profession. A practitioner has to be able to identify, treat, and refer for a wide range of medical ailments the same as a PA or DO, etc.
In other states, indeed, it can vary.
As for acupuncture, I'm not a particularly big fan myself, but one anecdote of medical malpractice doesn't really make for a profound argument. It's not like hospital systems or MDs are exempt from committing malpractice.
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.......Let me qualify this thread by asking; if you'd go to one vs the other, which one & why? ..........
If
I would go and get the education myself? I'd get qualified as a chiropractor licensed to work on animals. Our local chiropractor who worked on performance dogs was stopped by the state. Apparently chiropractors who work on people are not allowed to work on animals. He was booked full all the time and now there is no one to take his place.
If you want to make a living with it, go with chiropractor and after you get that continue your education to gain knowledge about the use of medicianl herbs and try to get qualified in acupuncture.
If you really want to make a living, get qualified as an osteopath. They have all the rights of medical doctors and can practice medicine.
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)