Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Even though I'm a long-time CCW holder who carries a .45 everywhere, I voted "NO" because open carry puts the CCW holder at additional risk.
Think about the problem confronting the perp who approaches his victim(s). If no gun is in sight, the perp has to think "does he, or doesn't he". Especially if a perp is approaching a group of people. Which one has a gun? All of them? None of them? In gunfight training you're drilled to neutralize the most immediate threat. As long as the perp doesn't know I'm carrying, I have an additional edge. As soon as I reveal that I'm carrying, then I become a clear threat to him and he has to engage me.
I want to retain an advantage as long as possible. But let all the other CCW holders engage in open carry . That just helps deflect initial fire away from me and toward the others. I can either retreat, or neutralize the perp.
What gets me is the absolute unwillingness of anyone at the national level to have serious discussion as to why over half of this country wants to rearm themselves in the last 40 years....................
Now I have carried a gun for some level of govt since I was 18, and Im 4 decades removed from 18.....................
My point is every one wants to debate gun ownership,gun rights, gun carry, but do stay away from the core problem of that desire
What do you think
It's self protection for me. Backed up by the Constitution. I personally am not a gun fanatic, and yes, it would be grat if I had an armed bodyguard 27/7, but I don't, so it's up to me. Maybe getting robbed when I was young made me the way I am, but that's how I see it.
I've been around and overheard far too many (civilian) men (mostly) who brag about this make, this caliber and what the merits of this ammo over the other like you and I talked about sex with a girl when you and I were in high school.
I wasn't there, but I think that you're reading WAY too much into what you heard. For many, many people, shooting is a hobby. People tend to be enthusiastic about their hobbies. I know guys that have over $30k invested in 20 year old Jeeps, and they get together and "brag about this make, this [gear ratio], and what the merits of this [upgrade] over the other" are all the time. Do I look at them like they're talking about sex? Of course not.
Again, I think you're projecting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theolsarge
I've seen grown (civilian) men, over 21, playing "cops and robbers" with loaded handguns like a 7 or 8 yo would do with a toy.
How many men? How many times?
If you were caught changing lanes without first checking your blind spot, do you think your car should be taken from you as a result? People occasionally do stupid sh*t. Most of the time, it's reasonable people making a single, isolated bad decision. Some people are just idiots, true, but the vast majority aren't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theolsarge
God knows I slapped more than a few of my guys in the head for doing the same thing when I was active duty but the point is I was supervising them.
Sounds to me like you shouldn't have been in a management position. I do appreciate your service, though.
Sure, if it is some rural town. It would NEVER work in a dense city.
...
Keep it in your one horse towns. Regardless, it will never happen.
What's your definition of "dense"? Is Las Vegas a "one horse town"?
Many states either have no laws restricting open carry, or have laws specifically permitting it. Your "it will never happen" comment is as about as ignorant as it gets, considering that it already has, and people have been discussing it throughout this entire thread...
What's your definition of "dense"? Is Las Vegas a "one horse town"?
Many states either have no laws restricting open carry, or have laws specifically permitting it. Your "it will never happen" comment is as about as ignorant as it gets, considering that it already has, and people have been discussing it throughout this entire thread...
Don't scare the sheeple. They don't like facing the harsh realities of life, death, and the possibility of facing/fighting evil. Let them chew their cuds in peace.
Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.
One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. "Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!"
One sheep spoke up, saying "It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery." The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.
That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried "Begone! We are not food!" and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!
The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out "Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!"
The brave sheep stopped, amazed. "But we are your brethren!" they cried, "We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!"
"Baaaaaaaddd!", cried the flock,"the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!". So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.
In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep's weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, "Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!".
And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying "It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!". But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of "Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!".
Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying "Baaaaddd! Bad things!".
That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep's totems and signs, and said, "Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!". And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.
In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, "See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!". But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, "Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!". The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another's teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.
The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.
So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.
They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!
I am so glad that only 20% are against open carry & 5% of them are actually pro-gun,they just think that open carry creates more problems than the concealed one...
A triumph of the American spirit this thread is...
I'm fine with it if people are held accountable. If you shoot someone accidentally, you lose your right to own a gun, for a long time (if not forever). If you suffer a lapse in judgement and shoot someone who meant you no physical harm and you were paranoid, I think you should just be locked up. If you can't hold on to your gun and someone shoots someone else with it, I think you should at least pay a huge fine, if you want the right, you need to show that you are responsible enough have it and be able to deal with the consequences if you screw up.
The spirit of the average American is open to guns
We are not sissies,like the decadent euros...
All we need is to approach the non gun & the anti-gun who are not prohibitionists & persuade them to stand for our rights,as much as we (should) stand for theirs...
Abortion,stem cell research,same sex marriage,marijuana,steroids,gambling,prostitution. ..
All controversial issues ,where the bottom line is...liberty & rights,not likeness or dislikeness...
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
. That just helps deflect initial fire away from me and toward the others. I can either retreat, or neutralize the perp.
