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Old 02-14-2010, 08:24 PM
 
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Kovert get over it already. Socialism will not work here in this country, end of story. The majority have spoken and we don't want to be Europe!
I'm sure Europe would love to have you. I'll buy you the airline ticket.
Good reads from your British commrades Compared to Europe, the US can at least make a pretence of democracy | Gary Younge | Comment is free | The Guardian
Actually we are already well on the road to be being like Europe.
Oh and I see you linked to an author that loves the idea of bailouts & reparationsto boot. Another closet bleeding heart libbie. Welcome brother.

 
Old 02-14-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Actually we are already well on the road to be being like Europe.

Oh and I see you linked to an author that loves the idea of bailouts & reparationsto boot. Another closet bleeding heart libbie. Welcome brother.
Actually you sound just to progressive to understand this but here goes. How in the world can you believe that taxing American banks to get money to help European socialist states is good policy? Do you not understand that as long as our banks are not owned by our government they will just charge those doing business with them a fee to pay the tax you seem to want.?

I think that you fail to understand that the progressive Crap and Tax laws will be paid by the citizens of our country in the end. Do you really think like Nancy Pelosi? She doesn't see how the people will get to pay those Cap and Trade taxes in the end. How stupid can progressives be?
 
Old 02-14-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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Actually you sound just to progressive to understand this but here goes. How in the world can you believe that taxing American banks to get money to help European socialist states is good policy?
roy, looks like you had another failure to comprehend the post before you.

So I'll go r-e-a-l s-l-o-w a-n-d s-p-e-l-l e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g o-u-t f-o-r y-o-u.

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Could this work in the states. A tax of just 0.05% on financial transactions.
These cats think its a good idea.
I asked whether anyone thinks a tax of,.., gasp,..., 0.05% (is that number where the confusion began) on financial transactions could work IN THE STATES.

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Do you not understand that as long as our banks are not owned by our government they will just charge those doing business with them a fee to pay the tax you seem to want.?
Do YOU think its okay for those responsible for the greatest global financial crisis since the Great Depression to get bailed out at taxpayer expense and then receive rewards in the form of bonuses for failure and then to top it off, go back to business as usual like nothing happened?

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think that you fail to understand that the progressive Crap and Tax laws will be paid by the citizens of our country in the end. Do you really think like Nancy Pelosi? She doesn't see how the people will get to pay those Cap and Trade taxes in the end. How stupid can progressives be?
I'd like you to find a post where I ever stated I was in favor of Cap & Trade.
Step out of the Glenn Beck universe and join the rest of humanity.

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Old 02-14-2010, 10:40 PM
 
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This is an absurd analogy to Robin Hood. Robin Hood stole from the government (who stole from the poor) to give to the poor.
I fixed that. Now that's settled, lets not enable stealing from any side, and raise the bar for all.

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Kovert get over it already. Socialism will not work here in this country, end of story. The majority have spoken and we don't want to be Europe!
I'm sure Europe would love to have you though. I'll buy you an airline ticket.
Good reads from your British commrades Compared to Europe, the US can at least make a pretence of democracy | Gary Younge | Comment is free | The Guardian
The majority have spoken what? You speak for everyone? I want my constitution alright, but I in no way endorse smarmy weasels hiding behind it selling yet another pig in a poke or worse, keeping Americans stuck on stupid forever while we get robbed blind forever because they can't handle change. The theft did not occur during the bail outs. The theft occurred the moment funny money CDS's were birthed.

I happen to agree with most of what that author said in your posted link. I just don't see that your side has managed to do anything beyond facilitate criminal activity for the efficient fleecing of our national wealth. Restitution from guilty banks is not out of line. They've harmed entire industries from gross malfeasance.
 
Old 02-15-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The rich have been doubling their share of the wealth every five years, perhaps a little Robin Hood will save them from a Pol Pot
 
Old 02-15-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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After reading these to articles (here and here), methinks Peter DeFazio plan of mere fractions of a % on financial transactions should be a done deal.

Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction Indeed.
 
Old 02-15-2010, 10:55 PM
 
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Not only is Sen. Tom Harkin proposing the same idea, even Fox News is talking about this tax and not in unfavorable language.

"Also known as the Tobin tax, it is named for late economist James Tobin, who first proposed it in the 1970s when the United States abandoned the gold standard for its currency. Tobin theorized that an additional fee on currency transactions would discourage speculators and keep exchange rates stable."
 
Old 02-16-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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Looks like the movement for a financial transaction tax is gaining steam.

Business leaders as well as heads of state are in support of it (http://wealthforcommongood.org/campaign/financial-transaction-tax/ - broken link).

Economists have written a report that much needed revenue to balance our budget can be obtained from such a measure.

Party people that complain about the favoritism of Wall Street to the detriment of Main Street should be all over this.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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Looks like the movement for a financial transaction tax is gaining steam.
Business leaders as well as heads of state are in support of it (http://wealthforcommongood.org/campaign/financial-transaction-tax/ - broken link).
Economists have written a report that much needed revenue to balance our budget can be obtained from such a measure.
Party people that complain about the favoritism of Wall Street to the detriment of Main Street should be all over this.
Let's assume A steals money from B and, in restitution, is forced to give the money he stole to C. How does that help B? Apply that to the current situation. How does forcing banks to give money to the government help people who have been hurt by the financial crash? Particularly when the government made possible the excesses of the banking system? Don't kid yourself. Money given to government through taxation does little, if anything, to benefit people. It benefits the politicians and the special interests that support them. Robin Hood, indeed! Whence comes this religious-like faith in the goodness of government?
 
Old 02-16-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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Let's assume A steals money from B and, in restitution, is forced to give the money he stole to C. How does that help B? Apply that to the current situation. How does forcing banks to give money to the government help people who have been hurt by the financial crash? Particularly when the government made possible the excesses of the banking system? Don't kid yourself. Money given to government through taxation does little, if anything, to benefit people. It benefits the politicians and the special interests that support them. Robin Hood, indeed! Whence comes this religious-like faith in the goodness of government?
Interesting that you bring this up because even Paulie, Junior's Sectary from G. Sachs understands the need for regulation to prevent any future bailouts.

Apparently the Financial Times is also asking serious questions about the "free market system",
along with Greenspan himself. Alan was particularly shocked about the failure to protect shareholders.

Even some banks want more effective regulations.

So if even these guys see its flaws, from whence does YOUR slavish devotion to the free market system come from?

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