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Old 01-25-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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It must be such an awesome responsibility to have never committed a grammatical error.
Thank you for your continued patience with us lowly humans lol
You're very welcome
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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For my entire adulthood, which spans about 40 years now, presidents have had speechwriters. It matters not one whit whether the speech is read from handwritten notes, a computer print-out, or a teleprompter. It is not the president's own words. Don't be fooled by someone acting like they are "speaking from the heart", when they're not. Some (Reagan for one) are simply better actors.
Well, then there must be something else that makes it difficult for me to believe anything he says, because he doesn't sound sincere.

As for Reagan, we know that he meticulously -- and repeatedly - went over his speeches and changed words and sentences as he wanted them to be. Even when the speechwriter struck something from the speech, Reagan would put it back in, as he did with the now famous "take down this wall".
His speechwriters kept taking it out, and he insisted on putting it back in. He knew what he wanted to say and he wasn't going to utter somebody else's words.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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It's absolutely mind-boggling that those against Obama are so blinded by their own rage that they can be deceived so easily by a picture and a lie that supports their false beliefs.

You people really, really need to start thinking for yourselves and stop cutting and pasting anti-Obama rants without analyzing what is being presented. It just makes you so easily deceived by right-wing media that preys on your blind allegiance.

Seriously. Educate up.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Risk american lives how? Would any less americans have died on 9/11 during those 7 minutes if Bush ran out of the room like a chicken with his head cut off? What purpose would that have served, really?

How did 7 minutes make ANY difference? Please tell me how. Could he himself have stopped any of the attacks in those 7 minutes? Do you give him (or any president) that much credit or power that they are able to single-handedly shoot down terrorists out of the skies with bolts of lightening shooting out of their fingertips?

Please, that is an old partisan joke to say that those 7 minutes would have made any difference.
^^^The great Republican Bush apologetics!

Did Bush know everything you wrote above when he wasted time because he didn't want to startle the children? You would think a commander in chief would at least want to find out the details of what is going on immediately. After all, he was told, "Our country is under attack!" That was all he knew when he sat there with is thumb up his 8$$. If our country did not need a commander-in-chief at that time, we didn't need him at all!
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It's absolutely mind-boggling that those against Obama are so blinded by their own rage that they can be deceived so easily by a picture and a lie that supports their false beliefs.
Uh-huh. Sure, sure, we hear you. Whatever you say.

Here's a guy filled with blind hate too;

Watch "Even Jon Stewart Goes After Obama For Teleprompter In 6th Grade Classroom" Video at mediaite

What exactly was the lie?

He did speak from the TOTUS at this school. No lie there.
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And, from The Onion...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQTaWjMoFw

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Old 01-26-2010, 06:00 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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^^^The great Republican Bush apologetics!

Did Bush know everything you wrote above when he wasted time because he didn't want to startle the children? You would think a commander in chief would at least want to find out the details of what is going on immediately. After all, he was told, "Our country is under attack!" That was all he knew when he sat there with is thumb up his 8$$. If our country did not need a commander-in-chief at that time, we didn't need him at all!
Is that what he was told?? You heard it? Wow. You're good!

I'm not aware that we know exactly what he was told. It took Bush 7 minutes to consider what he heard, and what it might mean. He was thinking all the time while he finished reading, all 7 minutes of it, before he went into action. You can be sure of that.

It took Obama how long to consider whether he's going to send the troops to Afghanistan that the General requested? I know, Obama was also thinking --all those months (when he wasn't campaigning, travelling and doing photo ops).
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:13 AM
 
Location: west central Georgia
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As for 9-11-01 Bush was told of the first incident, which at the time everyone thought was an accident. When the 2nd plane hit and it became clear that it was no accident, that's when he left the room, if I remember correctly. But I don't believe anyone is privy to what was actually said.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:32 AM
 
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You have no idea what you're talking about. I worked within the IL General Assembly at the time that Sex Ed legislation was introduced.

These are the facts:

The legislation that originated from Obama's Illinois Senate Comittee, of which he was Chair, and which Obama supported - SB0099 - was not for the purpose of teaching young children about inappropriate touching and predators. That purpose already existed in the Illinois School Code in Section 27-13.2 many years before SB0099 was introduced.

The language in the bill changed the specific mandate for STD transmission and prevention education from grades 6 through 12 to grades K through 12.

If there was no intention of providing STD education in kindergarten, it would not be necessary to deliberately change the language in the bill to include kindergarten in the STD education mandate.

The bill leaves intact language which mandates that alcohol and drug use and abuse education be included in grades 5 through 12, but deliberately changes the language that mandates STD education in grades 6 through 12 to grades K through 12. The intent is clear. There would be no reason to change the grade level requirements unless kindergarten were to be included in the mandate for STD education.

There were so many objections to mandating STD education, among other Sex Ed topics, for kindergarteners and early elementary students - even among Democrat legislators - that an amendment had to be added to the bill changing the bill's originally proposed language of 'grades K through 12' in the STD education mandate passage back to the Illinois School Code's existing language of 'grades 6 through 12' (line 3 of the amendment - the amendment then goes on to change the bill's proposed requirements of 'grades K through 12' in several passages back to the School Code's existing 'grades 6 through 12').

Obama voted for the originally presented grades K through 12 version of the bill, before the amendment.


The timeline:

The bill originated in the Health and Human Services Committee, and was voted on in that committee as originally presented. Obama, the Committee Chair at the time, voted for the bill. The bill passed out of ommittee.

The bill was placed on the Calendar for the 2nd reading (part of the legislative process). Objections to the bill were immediately raised. There was so much objection to the language to include grades K-5 in the bill's Sex Ed mandates that the bill had to be amended to retract
that back to grades 6 through 12 (grades 6 through 12 is the language that had already been in the School Code for years).
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of SB0099

The amended bill died. There wasn't much reason to pass a bill that just restates 'grades 6 through 12' in the passages - that language already existed in the School Code.

SB0099 Status Timeline:
Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB0099

It is important to note that the bill NEVER EVEN ADDRESSED Illinois School Code Section 27-13.2, which is the section that actually does deal with education about inappropriate touching and recognizing and avoiding sexual abuse.

As to what Obama considers age-appropriate sex education for kindergarteners:

"Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells First Read: "You can teach a kid about what's appropriate and not appropriate to protect them from predators out there." In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States (SIECUS*) has curriculum for those in kindergarten."
Obama and sex ed for kids - First Read - msnbc.com

*The SIECUS curriculum for Level 1, ages 5-8 includes:

• A person's genitals, reproductive organs, and genes determine whether the person is male or female.
• A boy/man has nipples, a ****, a *******, and testicles.
• A girl/woman has breasts, nipples, a vulva, a clitoris, a ****, a uterus, and ovaries.
• Some sexual or reproductive organs, such as penises and vulvas, are external or on the outside of
the body while others, such as ovaries and testicles, are internal or inside the body.
• Vaginal intercourse - when a **** is placed inside a ****.
• Both boys and girls have body parts that feel good when touched.
• Touching and rubbing one's own genitals to feel good is called masturbation.
• Some boys and girls masturbate and others do not.
• People often kiss, hug, touch, and engage in other sexual behaviors with one another to show caring and to feel good.
http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/guidelines.pdf


this is just more proof of the agenda for adults to have sex with children. Now we have a gay Safe Schools Czar who has a history of being connected with a gay community that has incidents in the schools like fistgate and pamphlets steering kids to adult gay bars. He has also written a froward to the book Q***ring Elementary Education. We need to spread the word and boot as many Democrats as possible. They support this filth.
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