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Old 12-08-2009, 11:43 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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It doesn't make any difference anyway. This monstrosity of a bill can't possible be followed or implemented. 2 thousand plus pages. No one understands it let alone try to make it work. No where is there tort reform. Why? Because the Democrat party is the lawyer party. Look at all of them, lawyers all. It will eventually be thrown out.

Not unlike our Republicans who decided that a finger lost in a factory is worth $10k.

They're all the same....
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:51 PM
 
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Maybe the loved ones of dead Amercian soldiers and innocent dead Iraqis killed with a war based on lies would not share your opinion of who was the "most expensive" POTUS. The American people have been paying for Bush/Cheney sef-serving decisions and will go on paying for years to come. I wish Bush would have gone to partying POTUS instead of the warmongering one that he turned out to be. Although he did spend a great deal of his time on vacation in case you have forgotten. Wasn't he helping McCain blow out his b'day candles while New Orleans was drowning? Yes he was.
I understand you a far left radical, but this is not a time to start blaming Bush! Bush had a better foreign team then Obama does. Obama appears as weak to other nations!!!!
It is obvious that Obama is an one term president!
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Michaux State Forest
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Maybe I'm niave but why can't we have a system like my friend who lives in Australia told me they have. Everyone is garunteed health coverage but if you want extra coverage, you can buy that too but at a fraction of what it costs here. Frankly, I don't think the health care system in this country will ever change. First off, the AMA and insurance companies have too much power and influence. Second, America was founded on survival of the fittest mentality and many ppl are not willing to pay out extra for the good of all. They view it as socialism. In Europe, these attitudes don't exist. This opinion was given to me by someone who lived in Europe and I kind of agree, although not totally but it is interesting.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:00 AM
 
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I understand you a far left radical, but this is not a time to start blaming Bush! Bush had a better foreign team then Obama does. Obama appears as weak to other nations!!!!
It is obvious that Obama is an one term president!
Well now, does one have to be a far left radical to recognize the disaster of what Bush left in Obama's lap? I guess they perceived him as weak when they awarded him The Nobel Peace Prize, eh? Bush had a foreign team of thieves. I understand that you are a far right radical sore loser.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:00 AM
 
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Not unlike our Republicans who decided that a finger lost in a factory is worth $10k.

They're all the same....
Who was that? Link.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:05 AM
 
Location: 53179
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Better yet--make it a DVD or CD! I could listen to it while driving.
Even better, sense there are way too many people that can't read
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:07 AM
 
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Raise times in waiting rooms, insurance cost going up, and getting turned away for minor problems.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:08 AM
 
Location: ABQ
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No place in this country will ANYONE be denied health care as it stands today.
This isn't true. The only ones mimicking this rather naive statement are those without serious chronic medical conditions. Your experiences, whatever they may be, lead you to believe this, but that's not true for everyone.

I have a chronic blood disorder and if it weren't for my employer's health insurance (which I still pay a co-payment of nearly $13,000 per year, by the way) I'd be denied healthcare in nearly EVERY state in this Nation. Can you name me anyone you know who realistically could pay $13,000 out of pocket for their medication every year of their life?

Lastly, the only way I could achieve medical care would be if I were ungodly poor, made less than approx. $7-11,000 per year, and in some states (except for North Dakota which does literally nothing for you if you're over the age of 18), you must also own a car which isn't valued over a certain amount of money, and it's quite modest.

I consider myself lucky that my employer is willing to take me on, but I also understand that I may not always be so lucky. My experiences also show me that allowing Americans the healthcare they need and deserve isn't optional to me on the humanitarian scale. We can scale back welfare checks and this and that, but I won't relax my expectations about healthcare.

And if you feel any other way about it, then you've never been put in the position where you have to choose whether or not you're going to have to live in abject poverty in order to qualify for a program so that you can live to see next year. And if that hasn't happened to you, then what do you know? Many middle class Americans have been and is very close to being decimated simply because they were born differently or mid-life had acquired something they didn't even have control of.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Who was that? Link.
That is basically what Tort Reform does. It does nothing to stop or limit fraud cases, it might reduce the payouts to fraud cases, but doesn't prevent them, and at the same time limits the payouts to legit cases.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:20 AM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Who was that? Link.

Here's some....

Tort Reform
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