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Old 11-10-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Ooooh, doesn't respond at all about my comment about healthcare under Medicaid for the severely handicapped. Of course the care for those injured under your scenarios isn't the issue, but try to spin the comment all you want.
You told me I should be more experienced to participate in this kind of discussion, I told you my experience in this kind of field. I answered the question you demanded of me. Below is the direct quote:

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Perhaps if you had a "more personal and up close" view as to how the severely handicapped are treated under Medicaid, you would have an enhanced understanding of these types of discussions.
You accuse me of spinning things to not answer the question, which is what you do to dodge my experience in the issue to push it towards a question you did not ask me directly. You accuse me of the very thing you are doing, which is actually very funny, it's a "red herring" fallacy of logic.

"a "red herring" is an answer, given in reply to a questioner, that goes beyond an innocent logical irrelevance. A "red herring" is a deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject."

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Old 11-10-2009, 09:28 PM
 
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OH OH Killing Granny Killing Granny Sqawk! Sqawk! ! Death Panels Deayh Panels Sarah Said so Sarah Said so! Sqawk! Yawk!


Repubs are so funny...they prefer paying more and more of their money to CEOs and insurance companies for less and less care and REAL death panels rather than have end of life counseling paid for (THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA'S health care plan).

They rather pay higher and higher premiums to CEO for their billion dollar wages and bonuses than have a penny go to anyone they don't approve of....it's the brain dead "dog in the manger " syndrome...poor dopes....too bad they enjoy ruining it for others ...but that really is the Republican motto and VALUE......
Hate kills.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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You told me I should be more experienced to participate in this kind of discussion, I told you my experience in this kind of field. I answered the question you demanded of me. Below is the direct quote:



You accuse me of spinning things to not answer the question, which is what you do to dodge my experience in the issue to push it towards a question you did not ask me directly. You accuse me of the very thing you are doing, which is actually very funny, it's a "red herring" fallacy of logic.

"a "red herring" is an answer, given in reply to a questioner, that goes beyond an innocent logical irrelevance. A "red herring" is a deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject."

Ignoratio elenchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First you fail to respond to the point of my posting, then lecture to cover your failure to do so.

You just missed the point, and have no specific knowledge as to how the severly handicapped are currently treated under Medicaid.

No shame if you just admit it, and leave the discussion.

The other lecturing you bring up, about "red herring fallacy of logic", just makes you look silly.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I'm all for Medicare, but am totally opposed to Deadicare.

I have worked in a long-term care facility for 7 years now. If I were any number of these patients who are on life support, who are unable to change their health care directives at this point (a sadly neglected task by many of us) and a government official came to me and said: We're going to pull the plug on you today as there are 50 million Americans without health insurance who we prefer to spend our limited resources on, somehow, some way, even if I were severely contracted, I'd find a way to give that person a kiss and a hug.

At the turn of the last century, average lifespan of an American was 47. Now we're up to 72?

An average insect lives just 24 hours. 24 hours of struggling on this planet, they look around, perhaps land on the arm of some 90 year old sitting on a porch, and wonder: Why! Why! Why!
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:15 AM
 
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It amuses me that the republicans say the President has 'plans for them' since they-the republicans almost universaly opposed social security in 1935. & Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.

Lots of clever misinformation and manipulation by the republicans and their lobbyist/special interest friends in trying to stop health care reform-something the republicans have opposed for well over 60 years.
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:12 AM
 
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The other lecturing you bring up, about "red herring fallacy of logic", just makes you look silly.
Reader opinion actually may vary as to who looks silly...
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