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Old 11-07-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Um, we're not complaining that he's not doing enough to stop unemployment. We're complaining that everything he does makes it worse. The market can take care of itself. The government needs to stay out completely.

I get the feeling you'd be incredibly happy if the government would just take over everything, make every single job a federal one and hold your hand all the way through life.
and he promised millions of new jobs during the summer. You are right, republicans most republicans believe in a free market..We do not believe in the creation of phony government jobs which we will pay for.

Nita
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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and he promised millions of new jobs during the summer. You are right, republicans most republicans believe in a free market..We do not believe in the creation of phony government jobs which we will pay for.

Nita
He wanted 600,000 jobs this summer.
He did not promise "millions of new jobs during the summer".

He did say the entire stimulus would be 3 million.
Which they are on track for.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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He wanted 600,000 jobs this summer.
He did not promise "millions of new jobs during the summer".

He did say the entire stimulus would be 3 million.
Which they are on track for.
ok, 600,000, and who got these jobs and what were they? he saved jobs that were not in trouble among other things. NO, he is not doing what he said he wanted to do.

Nita
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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The thing is, Obama and his administration have already corrupted the natural order of a "free market" with their massive bailouts for corporations. And George W. paved the way. After that debacle, the whole idea of allowing the free market to function normally went out the window. Instead of allowing these businesses to flounder and be replaced by new, up and coming businesses, we gave existing corporations all this money so they wouldn't go out of business. So anyone who calls for Obama to cure the situation he helped create is in fact justified. And that line of thinking can in fact co-exist with the call for free market because these same people were against the bailout in the first place. These people are simply asking Obama to step up and solve the problems the Democratically controlled government helped to create. They don't want Obama to seize more control of the market, they want him to help with the damage already done.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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He wanted 600,000 jobs this summer.
He did not promise "millions of new jobs during the summer".

He did say the entire stimulus would be 3 million.
Which they are on track for.
Exactly how is that going to be a victory for Obama, when the amount of "created" jobs is far outweighed by the jobs loss. In essence, there were no jobs created. Do the math, and perhaps you will see that Obama should have added some other numbers into his equation. Because any thinking person is not going to be thrilled over 600,000 jobs created when faced with millions and millions of job's lost. That is not progress.
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:05 PM
 
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One minute you have SOME Republicans espousing we need a "free market" and then you have some of them claiming Obama isn't doing enough to stop the tide of unemployment.

If you like the free market, there is nothing wrong with the unemployment rate, it's simply the way things are right now.

So, Repubs, should Obama and Congress try to do something to lower the unemployment rate or should we just let the "free market" take care of things?

The free market will stop unemployment. Obama needs to stop spending us into oblivion, lower personal and corporate taxes, and get out of the way.

Bammer's "expert" intervention has done nothing, except increase unemployment and the deficit. Most intelligent people would re-evaluate thier methods if they were not producing the intended results. Perhaps the intended results are not lower unemployment, national prosperity, and reduced debt. People are easier to keep in line if they are on thier knees economically.
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:44 PM
 
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Exactly how is that going to be a victory for Obama, when the amount of "created" jobs is far outweighed by the jobs loss. In essence, there were no jobs created. Do the math, and perhaps you will see that Obama should have added some other numbers into his equation. Because any thinking person is not going to be thrilled over 600,000 jobs created when faced with millions and millions of job's lost. That is not progress.
Which sounds better to you?

Economy + 3 million jobs
or
Economy + 0 jobs

If the stimulus creates 3 million jobs directly then its done exactly what it was supposed to do.

There is an argument to be made that it wasn't big enough (which is what paul krugman suggests), especially considering that the recession was worse than expected.
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:50 PM
 
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ok, 600,000, and who got these jobs and what were they? he saved jobs that were not in trouble among other things. NO, he is not doing what he said he wanted to do.

Nita
Recovery.gov

Find the quote that you are disagreeing with, lets try this one step at a time.

He said at the beginning of summer he wanted 600,000 new jobs.

Are you arguing are that didn't occur?
If so, what data do you have that says otherwise?

And you can repeat that nonsense about him not doing what he said he'd do, but evidence continues to say that he is in fact pursuing the agenda he said he would.

Politifact has him up to 52 kept promises.
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:51 PM
 
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He wanted 600,000 jobs this summer.
He did not promise "millions of new jobs during the summer".

He did say the entire stimulus would be 3 million.
Which they are on track for.
On track for 3 million? Stop the drugs.
Even the 600,000 they claimed isn't accurate, it's a lot lower than that especially since God only knows how many of those jobs were only around for a few weeks.
In other words:

STIMULUS FAIL.

Not sure if I can make it any simpler. The only thing that has worked is the cash for clunkers and first time housing purchase and even those are debatable whether they were worth it. Yeah you know, cutting the taxes and putting money right into peoples hands worked just like the dam Republicans have been saying along.

I'm sick and tired of democrats and liberals. They are spineless parasites, and republicans aren't much better.
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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On track for 3 million? Stop the drugs.
Even the 600,000 they claimed isn't accurate, it's a lot lower than that especially since God only knows how many of those jobs were only around for a few weeks.
In other words:

STIMULUS FAIL.

Not sure if I can make it any simpler. The only thing that has worked is the cash for clunkers and first time housing purchase and even those are debatable whether they were worth it. Yeah you know, cutting the taxes and putting money right into peoples hands worked just like the dam Republicans have been saying along.

I'm sick and tired of democrats and liberals. They are spineless parasites, and republicans aren't much better.
I'd ask for your data, but you have none.

The data presented is what we have, which you can quibble about with your right-wing buddies (oh, that employer said they created 10 jobs when it was 10 part times jobs - obama can't count, lolz).

Data or ****.
I'm on the tired side of people such as yourself that deny reality, with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back up their words.

Maybe you could recite the declaration of independence while claiming its the constitution?
Thats a neat 'patriotic' repub trick.
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