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These numbers are truly astounding. The incentive to NOT work hard, to NOT have the ambition to improve your status, to NOT strive to better your economic position is all there in obamacare.
Think about a family of four earning $42,000 in 2016, which is between 150% and 200% of the federal poverty level. CBO says a mid-level "silver" plan will cost about $14,700 in premiums, of which the family will pay $2,600—since the government would pay the other $12,100. If the family breadwinner (or breadwinners, because the subsidies are based on combined gross income) then gets a raise or works overtime and wages rise to $54,000, the subsidy drops to $9,900. That amounts to an implicit 34% tax on each additional dollar of income.
As CBO noted in a July health brief, "Higher [marginal] tax rates also reduce people's incentive to raise their income in other ways, such as working harder in the hope of winning raises; accepting new positions or responsibilities with higher compensation; or investing in their future earning capacity through education, training or other means."
What are they thinking??
This seems to be another trojan horse to single payer.
I do not care what kind of hourse is ridden so long as we wind up with a single payer universal health care system paid for with a truly progressive income tax that includes a $150,000 basic deduction.
Right now, part of what drives me to succeed is knowing that if I bust my ass and get a nice big raise, I can count on 60% of that (give-or-take) to wind up in my pocket. I can make a better life for my family with the money that I earn. Of course, if the government finds it prudent to take away an extra 34% of my raise, where is the incentive for me to work harder?
Right now, part of what drives me to succeed is knowing that if I bust my ass and get a nice big raise, I can count on 60% of that (give-or-take) to wind up in my pocket. I can make a better life for my family with the money that I earn. Of course, if the government finds it prudent to take away an extra 34% of my raise, where is the incentive for me to work harder?
Health care is earned. It is not a right.
Thank you.
Yes, it is NOT A RIGHT as some believe.
What is it with people who want a freebie handout from others? actually stealing from them so they can have something for nothing.
GET A DAMN JOB AND PAY FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE.
You can work 8 hours a day to feed, house and clothe your family.
Then you can work another 8 hours a day to pay for your own healthcare.
Its called earning it. Many of us have earned or are earning it so why should others not earn it.
Well here is where people like you and people like me vehemently disagree. I would fight wars over this issue. Health Care is a human right. I hope whatever gets passed leads to single-payer eventually. Maybe then we can relax some and not be tied to mediocre jobs just for the health insurance (ie, the rejuvination of freedom and creativity in business).
What is it with people who want a freebie handout from others? actually stealing from them so they can have something for nothing.
GET A DAMN JOB AND PAY FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE.
You can work 8 hours a day to feed, house and clothe your family.
Then you can work another 8 hours a day to pay for your own healthcare.
Its called earning it. Many of us have earned or are earning it so why should others not earn it.
OMFG!!! This is ridiculous. Healthcare is a RIGHT. You have the RIGHT to be healthy in the United States.
This is absurd that we have the WORST healthcare in the western world. Universal healthcare doesn't mean the end of ambition. My cousin in Paris is working VERY hard. In fact, being a lawyer for a prestigious firm means 50-60 hour weeks and frequent trips abroad. My other cousin, also in Paris, is excited about opening up a daycare facility. Not an easy feat.
Healthcare costs have gotten out of hand. My family saw the horrors of working more than full time...and yet still not having enough to pay for healthcare. My sister in law had cancer. It was nearly terminal. They went over their limit. Thus, a portion was out of pocket. The payments were outrageous. Fortunately, it was only a few grand. This was only because she beat the cancer. Had the fight continued on even a month more...the costs would have bankrupt them.
Being healthy is a right. It's un-American to think any less...
Can someone explain exactly how this 'right' works?
We have the RIGHT to be healthy in the US. The undeniable rights of "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" as written in the Declaration of Independence.
We deny "life" at times to those with pre-exsisting conditions or the inablity to pay. We force people into wage slavery due to high healthcare costs, thus they have little "liberty". Well, this all doesn't bode well for the "pursuit of happiness".
We have the RIGHT to be healthy in the US. The undeniable rights of "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" as written in the Declaration of Independence.
Again how does that equate to a person having the right to healthcare???
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We deny "life" at times to those with pre-exsisting conditions or the inablity to pay.
No we don't.
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We force people into wage slavery due to high healthcare costs, thus they have little "liberty".
That is a choice,you can choose otherwise.
How would you get this right to healthcare?
Where would it come from?
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