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I'm all for compromise though. We can have health insurance companies, as long as they can't make a profit and if they make a profit, it has to roll over in order to offer lower premiums to their customers.
Now you are stating the companies cannot make a profit....which is it?
You seem to want private companies to exist solely to satisfy the customers,no business operates that way.
I am sure you would not want to operate your business that way would you?
Now you are stating the companies cannot make a profit....which is it?
You seem to want private companies to exist solely to satisfy the customers,no business operates that way.
I am sure you would not want to operate your business that way would you?
I think companies that profit off the sick should not be for profit. This is a personal thing, though. Why should a company be able to condemn someone to death (refusing meds, claims etc.) to increase their profit margin so their CEO can finally get that yacht they've been wanting....
Now you are stating the companies cannot make a profit....which is it?
You seem to want private companies to exist solely to satisfy the customers,no business operates that way.
I am sure you would not want to operate your business that way would you?
I've been arguing that the health insurance companies shouldn't make a profit.
In Germany their sickness funds cannot make a profit.
In Switzerland if the health insurance companies make a profit, they have to lower the premiums of their customers.
I don't want ALL private companies to operate without making a profit, only health insurance companies.
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Why aren't these machines available here NOW?
We aren't demanding them. Patients seem to want the latest high tech whatever whatever without thinking about the costs or if it's even necessary.
I bet if we demanded them, we'd get them.
Japan has found this profitable for them because other countries are demanding cheaper MRI machines, among other things. Gotta <3 the Japanese!
This is a pointless argument. We will have different definitions of what a "right" is.
Imo, everyone should have the same access to health care (speaking of payout price) regardless of employment status or where one happens to be employed. I work at a fortune 500 company. I just paid $158 out of pocket for an MRI because my company subsidizes my insurance premiums and provides great options. My comrade (threw that in the sentence for fun ) who works at a restaraunt and is not offered a subsidized premium and who cannot afford an insurance premium would have to pay $3,000 or up for an MRI. Hense, he must choose between his health or a bill that will set him back years.
This is how "people are denied health care" even though they are not truely denied.
Call it socialism. Free market society, socialized health care. Sounds like a plan for a country's well-being ... especially when it can mean more freedom for its people (at the expense of just one more progressive tax added on).
These numbers are truly astounding. The incentive to NOT work hard, to NOT have the ambition to improve your status, to NOT strive to better your economic position is all there in obamacare.
This seems to be another trojan horse to single payer.
So your subsidy is $2,500 less if you make $12,000 more. I don't exactly see much of a problem with this, as the further down the economic ladder someone is the more help they will need....
I think companies that profit off the sick should not be for profit. This is a personal thing, though. Why should a company be able to condemn someone to death (refusing meds, claims etc.) to increase their profit margin so their CEO can finally get that yacht they've been wanting....
My main issue is with health insurance companies.
Even with price controls on meds, orthopedics, etc. there can still be profits.
I don't want my life to be bartered over so the CEO can get a new summer home or give his wife a new BMW.
This is a pointless argument. We will have different definitions of what a "right" is.
Imo, everyone should have the same access to health care (speaking of payout price) regardless of employment status or where one happens to be employed. I work at a fortune 500 company. I just paid $158 out of pocket for an MRI because my company subsidizes my insurance premiums and provides great options. My comrade (threw that in the sentence for fun ) who works at a restaraunt and is not offered a subsidized premium and who cannot afford an insurance premium would have to pay $3,000 or up for an MRI. Hense, he must choose between his health or a bill that will set him back years.
This is how "people are denied health care" even though they are not truely denied.
Call it socialism. Free market society, socialized health care. Sounds like a plan for a country's well-being ... especially when it can mean more freedom for its people (at the expense of just one more progressive tax added on).
It has always struck me odd that hospitals charge the uninsured more when they are the ones least able to pay.
I think companies that profit off the sick should not be for profit. This is a personal thing, though. Why should a company be able to condemn someone to death (refusing meds, claims etc.) to increase their profit margin so their CEO can finally get that yacht they've been wanting....
Why should a company that builds homes condemn someone to homelessness to increase profits?
Why should a company the grows food condemn someone to starvation to increase profits?
Unless you think all food production and housing is taken over by the gov. you have a double standard here....
By the way,you aren't condemned to death,you are made to pay or be indebted.
You want to get your meds and not pay the price(either the actual price or the cost of bad credit)
I've been arguing that the health insurance companies shouldn't make a profit.
In Germany their sickness funds cannot make a profit.
In Switzerland if the health insurance companies make a profit, they have to lower the premiums of their customers.
I don't want ALL private companies to operate without making a profit, only health insurance companies.
What about food production?
Water?
Shelter?
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We aren't demanding them. Patients seem to want the latest high tech whatever whatever without thinking about the costs or if it's even necessary.
I bet if we demanded them, we'd get them.
Japan has found this profitable for them because other countries are demanding cheaper MRI machines, among other things. Gotta <3 the Japanese!
SO it the customers fault....I would agree to some extent.
We DEMAND the very best for little cost...or now it seems no cost to the person,make 'someone else' pay.
It has always struck me odd that hospitals charge the uninsured more when they are the ones least able to pay.
Well, they are charging the same from their end. Insurance adjusts the initial cost to a lower price and then only makes you the customer pay a portion of that. The person without good health insurance just accepts the up-front cost with no adjustment. My argument is that my employment status should not make or break whether I have great insurance or not. I have a professional job making good money. I pay $158 out of pocket for an MRI. My friend works a normal job making below-average money. He may be able to afford catostrophic, but pays $3,000 out of pocket for an MRI.
Single-Payer would solve this ...
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) who works at a restaraunt and is not offered a subsidized premium and who cannot afford an insurance premium would have to pay $3,000 or up for an MRI. Hense, he must choose between his health or a bill that will set him back years. 
