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Old 10-11-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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If we could simply get rid of or overhaul a government program that was broke or didnt work, how many programs would even exist right now? Very few. Maybe the military.

I hear from people that we should try out Obamacare and if it doesnt work we can get rid of it or fix it. LOL Those people are completely clueless.

Social security has major problems. Bush attempted to do something about it. What happened? The liberals and the media went on their hysteria and freak out tour.

Welfare is a mess. Guess what? You cant do anything about it now without people screaming bloody murder.

Once you put a government program in place, especially one that creates any type of dependency, its nearly impossible to do away with it. This is the biggest reason everything possible should be done to get rid of Obamacare. The democrats know damn well what they are doing. They could give a damn if the program is going to work. But will it create more dependents? If the answer is yes, that is all they need to know.

This is one of the biggest cases against liberalism and democrats. Its just too damn bad half the country are dependents or ignorant. Also my biggest problems with the GOP. This message is too easy to get out there and open peoples eyes to.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Yeah, obviously before there was welfare people weren't so poor they couldn't afford housing or food. Obviously before Social Security old people never needed help to pay their bills, or health care. Obviously before the ACA people never lacked insurance in the US.

These programs only caused the problems they claimed to remedy. Before these programs the issues they claimed to help never existed.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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Yeah, obviously before there was welfare people weren't so poor they couldn't afford housing or food. Obviously before Social Security old people never needed help to pay their bills, or health care. Obviously before the ACA people never lacked insurance in the US.

These programs only caused the problems they claimed to remedy. Before these programs the issues they claimed to help never existed.
And look at those programs. Are you going to sit there and say they work great? Arent bankrupting this country? Arent having huge problems? Each one of them are screwed beyond repair. Welfare, YAY, we've got a nation of millions that sit at home on their ass off the backs of others. Nothing to promote them actually getting back on their OWN feet.
Social security is going to be bankrupt. Any attempt to fix it is shot down by the establishment and those who fall for the media scare tactics.
Public housing. Maybe I should be thankful for that one. I see public housing and its a clear sign of areas to avoid and stay away from.

The ACA is going to be another program that will add to our debt, though I guess hey we can just keep raising the ceiling.... When are you people going to friggin learn?
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If we could simply get rid of or overhaul a government program that was broke or didnt work, how many programs would even exist right now? Very few. Maybe the military.
We'd have left, only the programs that states or lower govts couldn't handle at all, such as national defense, foreign relations, coining money etc.

And, surprise surprise, that's exactly what the Constitution gave the Fed govt authority to run in the first place.

Those... and no others.

Funny how things come full circle sometimes, isn't it?
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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If we could simply get rid of or overhaul a government program that was broke or didnt work, how many programs would even exist right now? Very few. Maybe the military.

I hear from people that we should try out Obamacare and if it doesnt work we can get rid of it or fix it. LOL Those people are completely clueless.

Social security has major problems. Bush attempted to do something about it. What happened? The liberals and the media went on their hysteria and freak out tour.

Welfare is a mess. Guess what? You cant do anything about it now without people screaming bloody murder.

Once you put a government program in place, especially one that creates any type of dependency, its nearly impossible to do away with it. This is the biggest reason everything possible should be done to get rid of Obamacare. The democrats know damn well what they are doing. They could give a damn if the program is going to work. But will it create more dependents? If the answer is yes, that is all they need to know.

This is one of the biggest cases against liberalism and democrats. Its just too damn bad half the country are dependents or ignorant. Also my biggest problems with the GOP. This message is too easy to get out there and open peoples eyes to.

Hey, I meant to thank you for all your hard work propping up America so we slackers/noncontributors can keep working longer hours for less pay.

Decline of the Middle Class: Behind the Numbers - US News and World Report

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Old 10-11-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Hey, I meant to thank you for all your hard work propping up America so we slackers/noncontributors can keep working longer hours for less pay.

Decline of the Middle Class: Behind the Numbers - US News and World Report

Decline of the middle class. Whos fault is that? It isnt conservatism. We havent had conservative policies in a long time. But go ahead, you're on your way to becoming a lifelong dependent, and you will refuse to pin blame on whos policies led to that. And guess who will want you to stay there. Not Conservatists. But Democrats will sure be happy youll be dependent on them.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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We'd have left, only the programs that states or lower govts couldn't handle at all, such as national defense, foreign relations, coining money etc.

And, surprise surprise, that's exactly what the Constitution gave the Fed govt authority to run in the first place.

Those... and no others.

Funny how things come full circle sometimes, isn't it?
Bingo. I wish we could kick out 99 percent of the politicians. Put in people who actually care about our founding and understand and want to live by the Constitution. The government is beyond bloated and to anyone with common sense, you can see the gov is involved in way too many things it has no damn business being involved in.

Why people want to live in a nanny state with a gov like this is just insane.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Decline of the middle class. Whos fault is that? It isnt conservatism. We havent had conservative policies in a long time. But go ahead, you're on your way to becoming a lifelong dependent, and you will refuse to pin blame on whos policies led to that. And guess who will want you to stay there. Not Conservatists. But Democrats will sure be happy youll be dependent on them.
How do you plan to go backwards over the past three years, and force insurance companies to lower the rates which they blamed on Obamacare, and force insurance companies to return to markets they decided weren't profitable enough, and force employers who dropped insurance coverage to reinstate it? How are you going to do these things, while at the same time coming up with a new healthcare reform law? Because healthcare HAS to be reformed, and as quickly as possible. Our current system is unsustainable.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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The fact that so many people are dependent on those programs is exactly why we need them. I know countless elderly (all of my living grandparents, for instance) who are dependent on social security. They would have no way to survive without it. If social security is depleting then we need tax increases to continue funding it because that is one system that is definitely going to stay.

And you don't like Obamacare but what do you think should happen to the 16% of Americans who don't have health insurance? These people still get sick and they don't have insurance to alleviate the atrocious costs of healthcare in this country.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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Bingo. I wish we could kick out 99 percent of the politicians. Put in people who actually care about our founding and understand and want to live by the Constitution. The government is beyond bloated and to anyone with common sense, you can see the gov is involved in way too many things it has no damn business being involved in.

Why people want to live in a nanny state with a gov like this is just insane.
The great thing about our constitution is that it can be interpreted in many various ways and it can even be amended to make necessary changes.
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