OUR U.S.A. When Did Socialism Begin? (Reagan, health care, ideology)
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Socialism is America, did it begin many years ago?
Allright, Social Security for instance, is that socialism?
I for one think not.
Why? Because, it is not entirely funded by our government. People who WORK or have worked and had taxes collected from us, pay or have paid social security tax. Please look at your pay stub, or LES, you're paying into the system.
So, while some might call it a form of socialism, we Americans are paying into this program. It is not a free ride from Uncle Sam.
Is Medicare Socialism? No. Every working American pays into this system of health care, it is NOT FREE, and is not a free ride, as some might think it is. Even people who are disabled or retired, and receive a Social Security check every month, pay for their share of medicare, it is like a group plan that every American pays into. Medicare by no means pays all of a person's medical expenses. It only pays a percentage or a certain amount. The Medicare recipient must pay co-pays and portions of health care not fully covered by medicare.
For one, I am thankful our forefathers and legislators had the foresight to think of and implement programs such as these, because there are many old folks and disabled folks who are drawing on the system now, and without it, they'd be destitute. In fact, some are fearing changes in the systems our Government has in place that will either leave them on the streets in tents, and dying off in masses due to rumours and false propaganda about changes to medicare and healthcare in general. Fear has played and preyed upon human minds for centuries.
So, in summation, these programs implemented by our Goverment are NOT totally the socialism of America, because we Americans pay into this system. It is NOT a FREE RIDE. What it is, the U.S. Government is looking out for the interests of it's citizens.
'People who WORK or have worked and had taxes collected from us, pay or have paid social security tax'. You describe the only source of funds your democratically elected government has (aside from corporate bribes). Anything paid for by this method is, by definition, socialism .
Socialism is America, did it begin many years ago?
Allright, Social Security for instance, is that socialism?
I for one think not.
Why? Because, it is not entirely funded by our government. People who WORK or have worked and had taxes collected from us, pay or have paid social security tax. Please look at your pay stub, or LES, you're paying into the system.
So, while some might call it a form of socialism, we Americans are paying into this program. It is not a free ride from Uncle Sam.
Is Medicare Socialism? No. Every working American pays into this system of health care, it is NOT FREE, and is not a free ride, as some might think it is. Even people who are disabled or retired, and receive a Social Security check every month, pay for their share of medicare, it is like a group plan that every American pays into. Medicare by no means pays all of a person's medical expenses. It only pays a percentage or a certain amount. The Medicare recipient must pay co-pays and portions of health care not fully covered by medicare.
For one, I am thankful our forefathers and legislators had the foresight to think of and implement programs such as these, because there are many old folks and disabled folks who are drawing on the system now, and without it, they'd be destitute. In fact, some are fearing changes in the systems our Government has in place that will either leave them on the streets in tents, and dying off in masses due to rumours and false propaganda about changes to medicare and healthcare in general. Fear has played and preyed upon human minds for centuries.
So, in summation, these programs implemented by our Goverment are NOT totally the socialism of America, because we Americans pay into this system. It is NOT a FREE RIDE. What it is, the U.S. Government is looking out for the interests of it's citizens.
Read a book and get a clue. The fact is that our country has been a blend of Capitalism and Socialism for years, just like many other countries around the world.
a country cannot rely on just trite ideology. pure capitalism causes chaos and you need to also take care of the society for it to have some cohesion, purpose and cooperation. it has to incorporate what works and that is usually a blend of many.
you hear too many people rattle on stupidly about communism, capitalism, socialism, marxism etc as all good or bad. they all have their good points and ideas that can be implemented for the positive as well.
I would think that the programs you mention in the OP are socialist in nature. I don't really see a difference between people paying into a system through one line item of their taxes as being different from people paying into a more general fund.
I agree with the above poster. The founding fathers recognized the necessity of tension between federal power and state / individual power and actively fostered that tension. We would not exist if we were a truly capitalistic society. It is wise that we have protected ourselves with forced social well-being initiatives and regulations because we are so undeveloped as human beings that we aren't able to handle true freedom without destroying everything. Likewise too much social programs would crush our society as well.
So, it's a good tension to have. Most posters on this forum fall into one category or another and think they have all the answers for all time. (for example, it's probably a good think that after a 30 year run of conservatism that collapsed under its own excesses we have a dose of liberalism now. Same thing when Reagan came in after a long run of liberalism).
Socialism is America, did it begin many years ago?
Allright, Social Security for instance, is that socialism?
I for one think not.
Why? Because, it is not entirely funded by our government. People who WORK or have worked and had taxes collected from us, pay or have paid social security tax. Please look at your pay stub, or LES, you're paying into the system.
So, while some might call it a form of socialism, we Americans are paying into this program. It is not a free ride from Uncle Sam.
Is Medicare Socialism? No. Every working American pays into this system of health care, it is NOT FREE, and is not a free ride, as some might think it is. Even people who are disabled or retired, and receive a Social Security check every month, pay for their share of medicare, it is like a group plan that every American pays into. Medicare by no means pays all of a person's medical expenses. It only pays a percentage or a certain amount. The Medicare recipient must pay co-pays and portions of health care not fully covered by medicare.
For one, I am thankful our forefathers and legislators had the foresight to think of and implement programs such as these, because there are many old folks and disabled folks who are drawing on the system now, and without it, they'd be destitute. In fact, some are fearing changes in the systems our Government has in place that will either leave them on the streets in tents, and dying off in masses due to rumours and false propaganda about changes to medicare and healthcare in general. Fear has played and preyed upon human minds for centuries.
So, in summation, these programs implemented by our Goverment are NOT totally the socialism of America, because we Americans pay into this system. It is NOT a FREE RIDE. What it is, the U.S. Government is looking out for the interests of it's citizens.
Our public school system is clearly failing the masses on a wider scale then i think most of us realized. Normally, i would entertain a serious response to such foolishness, but it is not even worth the effort. OY VEY!!!
I think if anything these debates have exposed that we are not as "smart" a country as we have initially been lead to believe. MOST, of our country is just not really knowledgeable on a lot of issues. However that has not stopped them from running around and blindly championing causes, they really do not comprehend or even have a basic understanding. Thus, we get the displays of shear ignorance in a lot of cases, that are drowning out legitimate concern at these town hall discussions.
Hombre57, as much as I'd like to point to a list containing factual information on Social Security and why you're so wrong I honestly have come to the conclusion it is not worth it anymore. Believe what you want to believe and write what you want to write, seriously, what is the point?
I would offer further readings on the subject if you're interested
Perhaps you could read the history of how Social Security came into being in the US - We adopted the system based on the German system started by Bismark
eh why bother I'm extremely disappointed in a large portion of my fellow Americans for being so undereducated on so many key issues, that could help them in life. No wonder these political parties play us for the undereducated pawns we are!
Socialism started when people wanted to sum up all the things they didn't like with the new administration and put a label on it. The sad thing is that what people are claiming as socialism doesn't even meet the basic definition of the term. Last year at this time if you had asked many about the things many are claiming as socialist, it would have been termed compassionate welfare (medicaid, food stamps, medicare, indigent care). It's amazing how we change our perceptions.
Socialism started when people wanted to sum up all the things they didn't like with the new administration and put a label on it. The sad thing is that what people are claiming as socialism doesn't even meet the basic definition of the term. Last year at this time if you had asked many about the things many are claiming as socialist, it would have been termed compassionate welfare (medicaid, food stamps, medicare, indigent care). It's amazing how we change our perceptions.
Good post and you hit the nail on the head.
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