New jobless claims rise to 554K; more than expected

[Stac2007]

Originally Posted by cleanhouse

The prosperity of the 90s was due to Reagan and Bush 1.

Maybe some people had prosperity but not all.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by saganista

What parts of Powell's UN speech were true? Where were the WMD when Rummy said we knew right where they were? Where did Judith Miller's front-page lies come from? Who was Curveball? What was the purpose of the Office of Special Programs? When did IAEA put out a report that Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon?

Apparently you have never asked yourself any of these questions or the many more that others have asked and answered, always leading to the conclusion posted above.

They were in total violation. Hindsight is 20/20 but to ignore the atrocities of that regime is folly.

[idahogie]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

They were in total violation. Hindsight is 20/20 but to ignore the atrocities of that regime is folly.

Nobody ignored them.

But to pretend that there was no course of action between ignoring atrocities and attacking Iraq is about as stupid as it gets.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

They were in total violation.

They were in technical and material compliance. Entirely expected hemming and hawing and whining and foot-dragging are not excuses for an otherwise unjustifiable invasion. They are grounds for declaring that hemming and hawing and whining and foot-dragging are going on and that the regime needs to more forthcoming. This is no more than normal back and forth of geo-political tit-for-tat. It properly involves typewriters, not tanks.

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Hindsight is 20/20 but to ignore the atrocities of that regime is folly.

Who calls for that? Of course, Bush-41 had set up the Kurds and the marsh Arabs in the south for slaughter by encouraging them to stand up and then deciding to pull the plug on the whole operation. The resulting humanitarian crisis was what prompted the also illegal no-fly zones to be put into operation. And once again, the invasion was in 2003. Bush attempted to justify it on the basis of conditions in 2003 and beyond. Virtually all of that justification was fabricated.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by idahogie

Nobody ignored them.

But to pretend that there was no course of action between ignoring atrocities and attacking Iraq is about as stupid as it gets.

That's not the conclusion that Cliton came too. He attacked and the conclusion from that was it was pointless. It did help to keep Saddam from killing the former Bush. Other than that nothing changed. We, along with the rest of the world, were already sanctioned out. The Iraqi people were starving to death and infant mortality rates were at all time highs. What's in between that? Cups of tea?

This has gone way off topic and that's probably my fault... Sorry OP.

[texdav]

The real problem is that the stimulus isn't stimulatng the economy and as OP said unemployent is getting worse. But that really is no surprise has the so called stimulus wasn't meant to do anything much about jobs. It was 70% pork to payback politcal special interest groups.The administrtion thought unemployment would stop at 8% even then but it hasn't. Thier so called housing plan in the TARP was spent on chrysler and GM . The housing plan was called so urgent that it was given priotiy #2 and the economy could not recover otherwise the administrtion said. It has gone no where.What we are seeing is the markets gain slowly on their own once the Bush bank stabilztion worked. Obama has done nothing really except to add debt with no results.You want to see a no confidence vote just look at savings rates going up fo p[rivte individuals.Its a dirsct response to the masive incrase i debt by governmnet/ At the same time c9omp[anies recovering profit are not adding jobs for the same reason.