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Old 05-27-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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How can a nominee to the Supreme Court not actually believe in the Bill Of Rights as it is written?

Crazy.

But at least he nominated a woman of color.
That was probably the deciding criteria.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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Can someone explain to me what do they think was implied by inclusion of "well regulated militia" in the second amendment?

It was the most compelling reason for private firearms ownership at the time. If you recall we had just won a war with the only global superpower only because we had large supplies of private arms.

I think its more telling that they included no wording to suggest that arms be limited to the militia. Course they were more down to earth & understood the difference between giving a compelling reason for something & documenting limitations. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the people, only the gov't. As such it should come as no surprise that the gov't would confuse the issue.
The surprise should be that so many of us are willing to let a clear abuse of civil rights go unchallenged because the body abusing it says we dont understand it. But there has never been a shortage of people who cannot think for themselves.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:19 AM
 
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IF it was never intended to be a living document WHY are there provisions for amending it?

It can be amended. But thats not what we see regarding the 2nd. What we see is ignoring it.

I'v long said that what the anti gun movement should be focused on is repeal or amendment of it. That will never happen & they know it. So they go about as if it does not limit legislation in the same way that the rest of the rights in the Bill of Rights do.
It really is nothing short of criminal deprivation of civil rights on a grand scale. Would be nice if our Gov't & judicial system went after elected officials who break federal law but I guess its too much to ask for Congressmen/women to actually abide by the oath they swear to uphold the constitution. Might be just me but I view their attempts to subvert our Constitution as treason.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Jumping in Pools: Sotomayor: Gun Ownership "Unconstitutional"

Wow. This is a terrible choice in my opinion if she can truly believe this garbage.
If this is what she truly believes, then I can only conclude that she thought the founding fathers wanted the government to have complete control over the population, because they would be the only ones with the guns. Why would the founders include a right to bear arms on the one hand and then authorize the establishment of an army on the other, if they were not two separate thoughts?

I have to doubt her entire interpretation of the Constitution, if that is what she got out of the Bill of Rights.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Denver
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The title of this tread is an outright lie (either that or the OP is dumb). She does not believe individual gun ownership is (or should be) "unconstitutional" - in other words illegal. She believes that the 2nd Amendment protects a collective, not and individual right. That's the way the Amendment has been interpreted for all but 1 year of our country's existence.

There's a difference between something being unconstitutional and something not being protected by the constitution.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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How can a nominee to the Supreme Court not actually believe in the Bill Of Rights as it is written?
Is there anything in her record to suggest she doesn't?

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Crazy.
It would be.

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But at least he nominated a woman of color.
Well, she's no Harriet Meyers.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Well, she's no Harriet Meyers.
Sonia is much more racist. But, in 2009 it's ok to be racist if you are either:

1) An "economically disadvantaged" minority
2) A Zionist
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Sonia is much more racist. But, in 2009 it's ok to be racist if you are either:

1) An "economically disadvantaged" minority
2) A Zionist

Prove it.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Well, the second amendment does start with "well regulated militia". Why do you consider it garbage?
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."

-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."

-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

the first amendment never supported hate speech.

Of course what Rush Limbaugh spews on radio isn't free speech but hate speech and therefore not protected. Time to jail the hate monger.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Q: Why does the Constitution have a Second Amendment?

A: In case the government doesn't obey the first one.
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