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Here's where the trouble started, in the courts. You object to a valid ballot measure that the residents of the state can vote on, but have no problem with 9 people making a decision for 35 million.
How does that logic work?
I imagine if the courts had initially ruled to ban homosexual marriage, and then the ballot measure overturned that, you would happy as a clam.
how does their decision effect 35 million people..
I don't understand how someone getting married is effecting YOU AT ALL!!
that was part of the reason why the court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... so 52 percent of california's population was asked their OPINION on gays marrying.. and they said they don't want it... so it should be illegal???
REALLY???? if you can defend that.. I'm sorry but you are a bigot..
Lets put your marriage up for a vote.. I'll cast the first vote that abolishes it...
that was part of the reason why the court ruled in favor of gay marriage.... so 52 percent of california's population was asked their OPINION on gays marrying.. and they said they don't want it... so it should be illegal???
The court has no authority to make law.
52% approved an amendment to the constitution - that's the way it should work. I guess you can claim that any vote on any issue entails the electorate voicing their opinions - but that's how it works.
They are perfectly within their rights as citizens of a state to determine that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Call your coupling something else - but of course that would defeat the purpose of usurping the word "marriage".
Maybe you should be lobbying obama on the issue, since he agrees with a majority of Americans that marriage is between a man and a woman.
52% approved an amendment to the constitution - that's the way it should work. I guess you can claim that any vote on any issue entails the electorate voicing their opinions - but that's how it works.
They are perfectly within their rights as citizens of a state to determine that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Call your coupling something else - but of course that would defeat the purpose of usurping the word "marriage".
Maybe you should be lobbying obama on the issue, since he agrees with a majority of Americans that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Libs look the other way when one of their own goes against their wishes.
So if Obama would happen to find a way to outlaw any and all gay marriages when he still be the messiah to them?
They will twist and turn even his words to match their ways Sanrene. They seem to all have the same idea, lets force this down everyone throats and if they do not like it we will do it anyway.
To them majority rules on one hand but not on the other hand.
california has a total mess on it's hands, and the courts have created it...
they had made a ruling in allowing gays to marry... then allowed a ballot measure where 52 percent of the population was allowed to impose it's will on the state constitution... essentially overturning the ruling.. and making it illegal and offlimits for gays to be married... So in upholding the vote, they have allowed 18,000 gay marriages to happen, and now it's not legal anymore, but those 18,000 are perfectly fine...
Does anyone else see the ridiculousness of all this????
This issue is not over... and unless the people of california are willing to strip those 18,000 of their LEGAL marriage licenses.... the lawsuits and challenges have quite the mess to feast upon..
I mean seriously.. how on earth as a judge can you look at this mess that has been created.. with the jerking around of the laws by the two opposing halfs of this argument.. and think that for a moment it is ok and legitimate to allow this situation to just be "how it's going to be"
This country is a mess... keep your jesus and your bible out of our laws...
and I'll keep my gay marriage out of your church in fact.. I don't even care to associate with you AT ALL...
but don't think for a minute you're going to be able to hinder me from equal treatment under the law.. and have the bible and an opinion be the foundation for doing so..
that's not how the law works...
voter initiatives that reflect OPINIONS involve paying for something, building something, taxing for something.. NOT on whether a group of people can be treated fairly under the law...
IT's So outrageous and disgusting...
That is how the law works....not that I necessarily agree. But it is. It's unfair, yes, but the court made the legally correct decision.
The anti-same-sex marriage group got this legally put on the ballot and got the amendment passed. The pro-same-sex marriage group should be focused now on getting another amendment on the ballot in 2010 rather than saying the court made the incorrect decision.
I am a she and I have no need to respond to your twisted and clouded postings.
But I will tell you that it will take a huge dose to fix most peoples craving for the same sex. They could not make enough of the stuff to fix it. Some imbalances cannot be cured with meds!!
LOL, you go right ahead & continue trying to "fix" those gays. I'll sit back & watch the fun. I wonder how long you'll persist?
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how same sex marriage will ruin their opposite sex marriage.
You will never in your lifetime get an answer to this question. I should know, I've asked it to a certain other poster, a favorite charm of ours, & have yet to get an answer. I know, it's so hard to answer a simple straight out question, isn't it? Too hard for their little brains to compute I guess.
52% approved an amendment to the constitution - that's the way it should work. I guess you can claim that any vote on any issue entails the electorate voicing their opinions - but that's how it works.
They are perfectly within their rights as citizens of a state to determine that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Call your coupling something else - but of course that would defeat the purpose of usurping the word "marriage".
Maybe you should be lobbying obama on the issue, since he agrees with a majority of Americans that marriage is between a man and a woman.
courts don't legislate law.. they interpret law.. which influences the law..
which is why christian groups wish to overturn roe vs. wade... that overturning of the ruling would OUTLAW abortion...
I don't understand how you and every other conservative can sit here and not recognize how it works...not everything is up for a vote in a democratic republic.. we have representative government for most issues really...
and with your analogy regarding the judicial branch.. essentially is stripping them of their power. There are 3 arms of government... judicial interprets the law, and what is constitutional.. so if they rule something is unconstitutional.. and you don't like that outcome.. you want to sit and bicker about them making laws... how absurd is that? that's their JOB in it's proper context....
Are you telling me.. when the court made a ruling on interacial marriage.. where restricting people from interacial marriage was unconstitutional, that the court overstepped it's bounds? if so.. what should the court have said to the case? the whole point of going to the court is to CHALLENGE the law.. under the constitution.. should they have said "well the law states it's illegal.. sorry"
of course not.. your rhetoric does not hold any weight.. but I fear it appeals to people who are ignorant of the judicial branch's role...
In fact our nation applies common law principles in making a ruling.. and interacial marriage ruling was cited in the reasoning for declaring gay's should be allowed to marry...
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