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What I find suspect is that many techiniques had sexual and sadistic overtones. Bush has a history since childhood of having sadistic tendencies. Cheney is just not even human let alone humane. These chickenhawks got ther jolies watching other people suffer.
If anyone has not seen "Torturing Democracy" in its entirety, you need to.
The problem is that if you are being tortured, you will admit to anything anyway...quite unreliable.
I think its going to be a long four years with Barack, then a long four years, maybe eight, with the next guy.
And the silly BS will just go on and on...
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
Politics is now a sport for the connected and well heeled to be viewed by those that subscribe to People Magazine and get their "news" from the Comedy Channel.
As a "lefty" (I guess) I could care less if Pelosi and co. are involved. Not really sure what you would charge them with though, since they didn't give orders themselves, but hey, there it is.
Just because some of you all fall into lock-step with your party, doesn't man everyone on the left does too.
And ya know what? For me, I don't much care if Bush and co. are actually prosecuted for it. I am more interested in getting this out in the open, and enacting specific legislation so that it can't happen again, than I am for revenge.
I know that not thirsting for revenge is a foreign thought for many on the right, but that's how I feel.
Excuse me for saying so, but Ghandi tactics are not acceptable here. Atrocities were committed in our name and "just letting it go" is not an honorable, truthful or dutiful option. We cannot have this as part of a foundation for rebuilding our nation and respect for ourselves. George Washington was determined to try and punish any soldier that went against his no torture policy, so why should we not hold ourselves to the same moral compass?
Would you also have supported criminal prosecution of the FDR administration for the issuance and implementation of executive order 9066? Certainly the Japanese internment was a far, far greater black eye in the history of this country than the recent water boarding. Or, since FDR died in office, would you have supported bringing war crimes charges against Truman for allowing the bombing of Dresden?
I don't support torture at all, and I would like to see this all out in the open, but you lose me when you start talking about charging the previous administration as criminals.
I know what you're saying, and I agree about the parties, but is going to have to be more of a slam dunk than this to get people to see that both parties are the same. I think an investigation of the shenanigans behind TARP and the stimulus might be more effective, seeing as how presidents from both parties were involved.
While I agree the recent economic rape of America demands that heads actually roll, I don't consider the fairyland of human economics to trump life and limb. Nothing is worse than torture. Sure, it ain't pretty, but to give it a pass is to condone it.
I also think you underestimate the ability of Americans to abandon failures like the Democratic and Republican parties. Sure, there will be those idiots who'll point across the aisle and assign blame to only one side just to fuel their battered egos, but these people will be outnumbered by the millions who want fresh independent leadership. At that point, I feel I will step forward myself...
A sitting administration going after a past administration will prove to be a disaster for the sitting administration.
Agreed.
Liberals are notoriously short-sighted. Obama assumes that all will go well in the next 4/8 years, there will be no domestic terrorist attack, and no drastic measures will need to be taken to prevent such an attack. Nope, nothing bad will happen under Barry. That's why he thinks he can go after GWB without any need for such policies in the future.
A sitting administration going after a past administration will prove to be a disaster for the sitting administration.
Why do people view this in partisan terms? The Dem and Reps are NOT set in stone. There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have to have these two parties. Are people so brainwashed that they can't invent their own solutions? Do we have to allow ourselves to be raped every two years by this two-headed monster because we're too obese and lazy to come up with alternatives?
No one I know has an allegiance to ANY administration. Only the participants will hold such allegiance. The general population wants the truth and hopefully they'll be smart enough to realize the truth is good for EVERYBODY. It seems to me people are more afraid of what might come from this investigation because something (some party, some form of government, some economy, etc...) won't survive. That makes people uncomfortable.
But not nearly as uncomfortable as those we've tortured. Bring on the trials!
Just read the article and wondering if this is the same guy that PBS had a documentary about awhile back. The $hit might be hitting the fan and hopefully all of the guilty will be brought to justice. Actually, real justice would be for them to go thru some "enhanced interrogation" of their own.
It certainly is. This report has Rumsfeld and Cheney squealing like the little piggies they are.
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