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Old 02-06-2009, 03:13 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Even Democrats see this bill for what it really is, payback to political supporters. Is this what we can expect from the White House and the Democratic Congress for the next two years?

Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Site. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37 - broken link)
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:40 AM
 
Location: MI
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Well it looks more like the same "Let's hurt the Democrats". With the state of MI being in the dumps, I am surprised at some of the ganders posts here. This package is full of goodies that will help Americans unlike that mess the repubs rushed through for "Let's have a party Bankers".
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:46 AM
 
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Even Democrats see this bill for what it really is, payback to political supporters.
You don't know what's included in the bill or why. You can't intelligently discuss any of the economic issues involved in this Republican-crafted mess or in how the provisions of the recovery and reinvestment bill would work to address and remediate those. Your one and only vision of the situation is the one that Party Leader Limbaugh has handed you. Pork, bloat, payback to political supporters. It's all partisan, and it's all straight from AM radio.

This is the same sort of weak immitation of thinking that allows people to put absolute faith in biblical prophecy, or to believe that with a stroke of his pen, Jimmy Carter could have installed a pro-Western government in Iran in January of 1979.

Reality can be a scary thing sometimes, but it's all we have to work with. Try getting your fingernails a little more dirty with that than what they are right now.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Funny that Americans have to accept reality, but politicians want to spend $800 billion we don't have on "stimulus"?

Bwhahahahahaha!!!!
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Southeast
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This package is full of goodies that will help Americans unlike that mess the repubs rushed through for "Let's have a party Bankers".
You mean the Democrat's TARP bailout? The one the Republicans fought just like this one until the weaker ones caved and voted it through? They told you then it wasn't going to work, and we're telling you now..... Learn from your mistakes, do not make them over and over again.

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You don't know what's included in the bill or why. You can't intelligently discuss any of the economic issues involved in this Republican-crafted mess or in how the provisions of the recovery and reinvestment bill would work to address and remediate those. Your one and only vision of the situation is the one that Party Leader Limbaugh has handed you. Pork, bloat, payback to political supporters. It's all partisan, and it's all straight from AM radio.

This is the same sort of weak immitation of thinking that allows people to put absolute faith in biblical prophecy, or to believe that with a stroke of his pen, Jimmy Carter could have installed a pro-Western government in Iran in January of 1979.

Reality can be a scary thing sometimes, but it's all we have to work with. Try getting your fingernails a little more dirty with that than what they are right now.
I really wish I had your astounding ability to word things so BS looks like something with sustenance...

The worst thing is, when this stimulus package fails to deliver, the Republicans will get the blame for not fighting hard enough, just like with the TARP bailout.

On the other hand, you seem like a fairly intelligent individual, it makes me wonder why you still support creating so many temporary jobs that will not last indefinitely. A few months from now we will be right back a square one, except next time the unemployment figures will be higher and the stimulus [package would need to be even bigger....

Only 37% supports this package.. Interesting. Makes you wonder what Obama and Congress' approval ratings will be when this falls through the floor.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:45 AM
 
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You mean the Democrat's TARP bailout? The one the Republicans fought just like this one until the weaker ones caved and voted it through? They told you then it wasn't going to work, and we're telling you now..... Learn from your mistakes, do not make them over and over again.



I really wish I had your astounding ability to word things so BS looks like something with sustenance...

The worst thing is, when this stimulus package fails to deliver, the Republicans will get the blame for not fighting hard enough, just like with the TARP bailout.

Only 37% supports this package.. Interesting. Makes you wonder what Obama and Congress' approval ratings will be when this falls through the floor.
Don't assume that number means 63% are against. Both the number for and against in Rasmussen are under 50%. Other polls show a majority still supporting.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:47 AM
 
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FiveThirtyEight.com: Politics Done Right: On Stimulus, Democrats Beating GOP On Party Unity
FiveThirtyEight.com: Politics Done Right: On Stimulus, Democrats Beating GOP On Party Unity
There have already been 13 distinct votes on various amendments and elements related to the stimulus package; these are roll call votes numbers 37 through 49 in the Senate's official record.

So far, Senate Democrats have voted in accordance with what we believe to be the administration's position 97.4 percent of the time -- or 98.1 percent of the time if the most common "Democratic" dissenter, Joe Lieberman, is excluded from the tally.

By contrast, the Republicans have voted against the administration's position an average of 89.2 percent of the time. That's fairly unified also, but the Democrats are nevertheless picking off an average of 4 Republican votes on each amendment, whereas the Republicans are getting an average of only 1 and 2 Democrats siding with them. That's a net swing of 2 or 3 votes in the Democrats' direction -- possibly enough to get them to 60 votes when the final bill comes up for passage.

The above is from the link so argue with them.

FiveThirtyEight is at the top of the data pyramid.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:52 AM
 
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Funny that Americans have to accept reality, but politicians want to spend $800 billion we don't have on "stimulus"? Bwhahahahahaha!!!!
The loss of tens of trillions of dollars worth of wealth is reality. The loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs per month is reality. Hundreds of thousands of foreclosure filings per month is reality. Bwhahahahahaha!!!! is not reality.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:56 AM
 
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Funny that Americans have to accept reality, but politicians want to spend $800 billion we don't have on "stimulus"?

Bwhahahahahaha!!!!
You do realize the Iraq was has been funded by money we don't have and is not in the formal budget and is a major part of our national debt. Have you compared the cost of the Iraq Recovery War with the cost of the American Recovery Act?
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:01 AM
 
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Main Street or the Green Zone Street?

American Recovery Act or the Bush War Recovery Plan?
War costs could total $1.6 trillion by 2009, panel estimates - CNN.com
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The total economic impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is estimated at $1.6 trillion by 2009, a congressional committee said in a report released Tuesday.
That is nearly double the $804 billion in direct war costs the White House requested so far from Congress, the Democratic-led Joint Economic Committee said.

The committee estimated $1.3 trillion in war costs by the end of 2008 for Iraq, and the remainder for Afghanistan.

The total war costs could grow to $3.5 trillion by 2017, the committee estimated.

Lurkers does it seem like the same posters here protesting the American Recovery Act as being put together by the Senate are as critical of our spending on the Iraqi people. There were some issues with the Act as it came out of the House but it seems as if some posters are more interested in seeing the Iraqi government succeed then they are ours. I wonder where the Republican leadership in Congress is on this issue. Where will Senator McCain be this weekend? Are they as good at saying no to Iraq spending as they are at saying no to America spending?
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