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I'm just amazed that that there are more posts on the "solidarity" on the confederate flag and "connecting with ancestors" but posts that decry the devastation of slavery and Jim Crow laws are criticized for living in the past and making a big deal out of nothing.
No - it is not my responsibility to make others "feel good". The Flag, like it or not - is part of history. And, I look at the flag as a symbol of brave men fighting for their personal freedoms -
I have a Confederate Flag proudly displayed in my home - and with no apologizes for doing so.
As an aside - we have a foster daughter who is African American - who loves to carry her "Flag" beach towel - she thinks its a hoot -
Then I suppose, we might as well fly the Swastika - it is certainly part of history and the arguement could be made that brave German patriots died for it in order to rid themselves of the oppressive conditions put upon the Fatherland by the Treaty of Versailles. And well, if some see it as a symbol of genocide - just too bad for them, isn't it?
I'm just amazed that that there are more posts on the "solidarity" on the confederate flag and "connecting with ancestors" but posts that decry the devastation of slavery and Jim Crow laws are criticized for living in the past and making a big deal out of nothing.
I stated that many pages ago...............no one will have an answer for you.
Then I suppose, we might as well fly the Swastika - it is certainly part of history and the arguement could be made that brave German patriots died for it in order to rid themselves of the oppressive conditions put upon the Fatherland by the Treaty of Versailles. And well, if some see it as a symbol of genocide - just too bad for them, isn't it?
If one wants to fly the Swastika - they can. Is there a law in the US that would prohibit this exercise of free speech?
Then I suppose, we might as well fly the Swastika - it is certainly part of history and the arguement could be made that brave German patriots died for it in order to rid themselves of the oppressive conditions put upon the Fatherland by the Treaty of Versailles. And well, if some see it as a symbol of genocide - just too bad for them, isn't it?
I get where you are trying to go with this, but the comparison of the two is a little off track. You are comparing a civil war between two armies to a genocidal war which involved not only millions of soldier's deaths but also millions of Jews and Gypsies.
For the most part Germans feel absolutely no pride about their past.
But the people of the South weren't fighting to destroy a people, they were fighting to hold onto the rights of the state to govern themselves. And the North did not come down here to save the slaves, they came to claim power for the Federal Government. The right to own slaves was just one of many rights the states of the Confederacy and all states lost as a result of the war. I am glad slavery was ended, but I am sick of everyone repeating the same old grade school explanation for the Civil War.
It was not a war to stop slavery. Heck, many many slaves were still owned by northern men and women, they just kept them down south on their plantations. And treatment of blacks in the northern states was anything but cordial. They were treated like animals, only they were free animals. The entire country treated black people horribly, not just the South. So please stop with the glorified northerners doing their duty posts. They were all to blame for the crimes that were committed over those several hundred years. There can be no justice, only acceptance, tolerance, and forgiveness.
I get where you are trying to go with this, but the comparison of the two is a little off track. You are comparing a civil war between two armies to a genocidal war which involved not only millions of soldier's deaths but also millions of Jews and Gypsies.
For the most part Germans feel absolutely no pride about their past.
But the people of the South weren't fighting to destroy a people, they were fighting to hold onto the rights of the state to govern themselves. And the North did not come down here to save the slaves, they came to claim power for the Federal Government. The right to own slaves was just one of many rights the states of the Confederacy and all states lost as a result of the war. I am glad slavery was ended, but I am sick of everyone repeating the same old grade school explanation for the Civil War.
It was not a war to stop slavery. Heck, many many slaves were still owned by northern men and women, they just kept them down south on their plantations. And treatment of blacks in the northern states was anything but cordial. They were treated like animals, only they were free animals. The entire country treated black people horribly, not just the South. So please stop with the glorified northerners doing their duty posts. They were all to blame for the crimes that were committed over those several hundred years. There can be no justice, only acceptance, tolerance, and forgiveness.
The civil war was about states' rights, but more specifically, how slave states and free states would join the Union, which as was set forth in the Missouri Compromise but nullified by the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. This Act, to pacifiy Southerners, called for one state to be free and one to be slave, where both, according to the original compromise, should have been admitted as free states. The Republican party formed in opposition to the Act and to the extension of slavery. When Lincoln was elected, the Southern states began to secede.
By the way, I think it was the 1790 census that showed 94% of US slaves lived below the Mason-Dixon Line.
Think about it this way, if your relatives had been wiped out in Nazi camps, what would you think when you saw the swastika flying overhead? Fear, dread, anger? You wouldn't feel welcome, that is for sure.
Now if your ancestors had been slaves, and as history goes, this is not very long ago, what would you think if you saw the St. Andrew's cross flying over head? Fear, dread, anger? Again, you certainly wouldn't feel welcome - in your own nation!
Think about it this way, if your relatives had been wiped out in Nazi camps, what would you think when you saw the swastika flying overhead? Fear, dread, anger? You wouldn't feel welcome, that is for sure.
Now if your ancestors had been slaves, and as history goes, this is not very long ago, what would you think if you saw the St. Andrew's cross flying over head? Fear, dread, anger? Again, you certainly wouldn't feel welcome - in your own nation!
Your continued use of the deliberate NAZI extermination of a group of people - as a comparison to the Civil War is disingenuous at best.
Apples and Oranges IMO
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