***SCOTUS has ruled on Roe V Wade*** (illegal, death, abortions)
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Remember back when you were an "unborn child"? No, of course you don't because you had no consciousness then. The unborn isn't a person until they take their first breath. No fetus is going to be mad or disappointed that their mothers didn't carry them to full term. Right-wingers are always complaining that the problem with the country today is babies being raised without fathers. So what do you do? You force women to have fatherless babies. Real smart, eh?
Roe had a reasonable stipulation that women have the right to abort pre-viability without undue interference from the state, which means before the third trimester. That makes sense, and it follows the science.
But calling a fertilized egg a "person" is absolutely ridiculous, which is what states are allowed to do now.
I can't wait to hear what they're going to do about IVF which destroys several embryos for each successfully generated pregnancy. Using their logic, they must declare the practice illegal. So now affluent couples who can afford to spend $35K or more to become pregnant will no longer be able to do that, while poor single women who can't afford to raise a child are forced to have one. Real smart.
And this folks is how we're going to make America great.
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Remember back when you were an "unborn child"? No, of course you don't because you had no consciousness then.
How silly. Unborn babies have been known to have preferences in sound, taste, etc. If they have a preference then it's obvious that they have consciousness.
The vast majority of people remember little to nothing for the first few years after being born so why should people remember things from before birth?
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This gaping hole in the record of our lives has been frustrating parents and baffling psychologists, neuroscientists and linguists for decades. It was a minor obsession of the father of psychotherapy, Sigmund Freud, who coined the phrase ‘infant amnesia’ over 100 years ago.
Seems you're wanting it so that born children can be killed, too.
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The unborn isn't a person until they take their first breath.
Strictly your opinion, which you cannot prove.
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No fetus is going to be mad or disappointed that their mothers didn't carry them to full term. Right-wingers are always complaining that the problem with the country today is babies being raised without fathers. So what do you do? You force women to have fatherless babies. Real smart, eh?
Roe had a reasonable stipulation that women have the right to abort pre-viability without undue interference from the state, which means before the third trimester. That makes sense, and it follows the science.
But calling a fertilized egg a "person" is absolutely ridiculous, which is what states are allowed to do now.
I can't wait to hear what they're going to do about IVF which destroys several embryos for each successfully generated pregnancy. Using their logic, they must declare the practice illegal. So now affluent couples who can afford to spend $35K or more to become pregnant will no longer be able to do that, while poor single women who can't afford to raise a child are forced to have one. Real smart.
And this folks is how we're going to make America great.
Unless it's a rapist, no one is "forcing" women to have sex or "forcing" them to have unprotected sex.
You seem to have a thing about forcing women to get pregnant.
How silly. Unborn babies have been known to have preferences in sound, taste, etc. If they have a preference then it's obvious that they have consciousness.
The vast majority of people remember little to nothing for the first few years after being born so why should people remember things from before birth?
How silly. Your second statement just contradicted your first statement.
You can go on all day long about a fertilized egg is the same thing as a child.
The problem is two-fold. It cannot survive on its own outside the mother until it is approximately six months old. Second, the majority of Americans simply don't agree that a fertilized egg or young fetus is a child our ultra-conservative supreme court notwithstanding.
Let me tell you what is going to happen. Those of us who oppose these restrictions will undermine anti-abortion laws every chance we get. We will make holes in the laws big enough to drive a train through. Anti-abortion laws will eventually fall of their own weight.
Overruling Roe v. Wade will turn out to be the worst mistake the Supreme Court ever made. It has already damaged the credibility of the court. Perhaps beyond repair.
Bingo…they only tout science when it fits their narrative.
Exactly. They only tout female empowerment when it fits their narrative as well.
Are we supposed to believe that no progressive female has access to a personal vehicle, rental vehicle, uber, carpool, taxi, bus, train, plane, or friend or family who has those things, to cross a state line for something that could otherwise alter the next 18 years of their life? This is supposedly the party "female empowerment and independence."
Exactly. They only tout female empowerment when it fits their narrative as well.
Are we supposed to believe that no progressive female has access to a personal vehicle, rental vehicle, uber, carpool, taxi, bus, train, plane, or friend or family who has those things, to cross a state line for something that could otherwise alter the next 18 years of their life? This is supposedly the party "female empowerment and independence."
But lots of Republicans want all abortion banned at the national level. So, a woman wanting or needing an abortion will have to go to Canada or Mexico. I wonder if a passport will be required to do that and if so, how long it will take to get one.
One Idaho Republican, Scott Herndon, who literally wants all abortion banned said, "We will never win this human rights issue, the greatest of our time, if we make allowances for the intentional killing of another human being." He doesn't think an abortion ban law requiring a woman dying from an unviable pregnancy and placed into a hospice and allowed to die doesn't count as intentional killing.
They do not provide legal proof of anything. The fact there are fetal homicide laws is entirely irrelevant, since all of them exclude abortion as a basis for the crime. All the laws do is say that in circumstance A this is a crime, in circumstance B it is not a crime. That's it.
In Texas, when the concept of fetal murder was added to the Penal Code, legislators did not define it as a separate crime. They merely changed the definition of "individual" in the definitions section. The actual law still says:
(b) A person commits an offense if he:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
That's exactly what convenience abortion (98.3% of all abortions) is: the killing of another individual just because one wishes to do so. The developing baby has:
1) Different DNA than the mother
2) Frequently a different blood type than the mother
3) About half the time, is a different sex than the mother
It is a unique individual, not just an extension or part of the mother's body.
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