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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 07-25-2022, 11:23 AM
 
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Yes, the USA are masters at it. But Ukraine has nothing to lose by doing this. If Russia plans on doing this then it is only hurting itself since its advance would be slowed. But let's see what develops. I hope it does not happen or is somehow stopped.
Russia is doing the right thing, they are contacting the UN and other relevant organizations and publishing the whole planned plot in the media so that everyone knows about it.

Since they did the same thing regarding the repeated drone attacks on a Ukrainian nuclear power plant, those attacks seem to have ceased.
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Old 07-25-2022, 11:41 AM
 
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Judging from several sources, Ukraine has offered to pay $1-2m and a residence card for a EU country to any Russian pilot hijacking a Russian SU-24, SU-34 or TU-22M3 and landing it in Ukraine.

But the Russian secret service discovered the scheme...


It seems to be a sick idea to begin with because, unlike cannon fodder, pilots are usually very proud, respected and well-paid people, that can't be corrupted.
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:06 PM
 
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That is all false. Ukrainians in newly occupied Russian areas are receiving Russian passports if they want and are not persecuted. It was the Ukrainians that wanted to suppress and eradicate Russian language and culture within their borders. But thanks to that author for turning that around. Clever. And it follows the narrative. Well done.
Receiving passports if they want?

What if you don’t want one? Will you be persecuted then?

If you want a cell phone that works, you cannot get one without a Russian passport.

You want to participate in the economy? Better have Russian rubles and a Russian passport.

You think the Russians are going to open up schools that teach in Ukrainian?

Did you read the article? It was published in Russian state run media, in Russian, for the Russian audience.
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:19 PM
 
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More and more people in Europe are waking up. Like the seasoned Austrian politician Martin Graf:


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WHY I DEMAND SANCTIONS AGAINST UKRAINIAN OLIGARCHES (https://fb.watch/euq-PO13-L/?mibextid=nP3uW4).

Today I published excerpts of my video interview dealing with the situation in Europe due to the sanctions against Russia. I think that almost every European has already felt these negative consequences for themselves. Prices are rising for everything - groceries, gas, utilities. The reason for this is the sanctions policy that Austria is pursuing together with the European Union and which we must categorically oppose.

We have become hostage to the policies of our authorities: in trying to help refugees from Ukraine, they are violating the rights of their own citizens.

I agree to sanctions against Russian oligarchs. But I think that now we need to pay attention to the Ukrainian oligarchs.

These are people who literally sucked all the juice out of Ukraine. And today it is not they who pay for it, but the citizens of Ukraine and all European countries.

They consistently funded each of the regimes in Ukraine without looking back at the moral component and the economic problems that this leap from changing governments and parties brought to the country.

These are people who traded money for the right to do as they please, largely ignoring human hardship, economic decline and rising social tensions.

They fund illegal armed groups and nationalists. Eventually, the Ukrainian oligarchs played too hard, lost touch with reality and eventually led Ukraine into war.

They thought they could get away with anything.

And I have a question for European politicians: why do they keep getting away with it?
Is it because the Ukrainian oligarchs solve their problems the way they are used to - with bribes?

Today they enjoy life in Europe. In fact, these people should be punished for everything they did to Ukraine and now to the whole world.

I demand that the EU authorities impose sanctions on Ukrainian oligarchs: confiscate their yachts, assets and other property and use these funds to help Ukrainian refugees and compensate EU citizens for losses due to sanctions.

Failure to impose sanctions on Ukrainian oligarchs would be de facto confirmation of corruption at the highest echelons of EU power.

We will publish the full interview with Mr. Martin shortly. Keep for updates.
https://t.me/neuesausrussland/8545
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:37 PM
 
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Judging from several sources, Ukraine has offered to pay $1-2m and a residence card for a EU country to any Russian pilot hijacking a Russian SU-24, SU-34 or TU-22M3 and landing it in Ukraine.

But the Russian secret service discovered the scheme...


It seems to be a sick idea to begin with because, unlike cannon fodder, pilots are usually very proud, respected and well-paid people, that can't be corrupted.
I don't think there was any attempt to hide it, I heard about it months ago. I don't remember if I knew how much they were offering. The whole claim about the Russians "discovering" it is a bunch of BS.

They were also offering payouts for other equipment, like tanks and personnel carriers.

A couple of million for a fighter jet could be be a win-win for the pilot and the Ukrainian government. The program can't work if it is a secret, they have to get the word out.
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:53 PM
 
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I don't think there was any attempt to hide it, I heard about it months ago. I don't remember if I knew how much they were offering. The whole claim about the Russians "discovering" it is a bunch of BS.

They were also offering payouts for other equipment, like tanks and personnel carriers.

A couple of million for a fighter jet could be be a win-win for the pilot and the Ukrainian government. The program can't work if it is a secret, they have to get the word out.
Well, it was not a newspaper ad aimed at the public Seems they contacted specific pilots...



Anyway, on Telegram it says trains with hundreds of these huge guns have been spotted on their way to the front. I suppose they are useful in destroying the massive trench systems the Ukrainians have built west of the Donbass since 2014...

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/ar...ntline-service
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:55 PM
 
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I don't think there was any attempt to hide it, I heard about it months ago. I don't remember if I knew how much they were offering. The whole claim about the Russians "discovering" it is a bunch of BS.

They were also offering payouts for other equipment, like tanks and personnel carriers.

A couple of million for a fighter jet could be be a win-win for the pilot and the Ukrainian government. The program can't work if it is a secret, they have to get the word out.
I don't know about the millions, but how in the world can they promise a resident status in a EU country. If true somebody must be drinking. Lol.
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Old 07-25-2022, 01:57 PM
 
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I don't know about the millions, but how in the world can they promise a resident status in a EU country. If true somebody must be drinking. Lol.
I am sure the West is involved. In one of the sources it said that the British government helped in this scheme...
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Old 07-25-2022, 02:05 PM
 
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Of course I thought it through. The West's support will continue no matter what. If anything it will be increased due to the alleged "Russian terrorism" chemical attack. If this attack happens the Russians will be blamed even if they did not do it.
If Ukraine launches a chemical attack the support from the West will stop. Period. This is pure Russia propaganda BS.
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Old 07-25-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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If Ukraine launches a chemical attack the support from the West will stop. Period. This is pure Russia propaganda BS.
What makes you think so?! The West did not stop its support after the Bucha massacre, nor any of the other Ukrainian war crimes, which the West knows exactly were committed by Ukraine, although of course they won't say so. But they do know.
I think it is important to realize that the West is not the good guy in this conflict. People in the West grow up in the illusion that they are the good guys and who is against them, is the bad guy. In reality, the opposite is the case.


Just a few days ago I read a very detailed analysis of the Malaysian plane that was shot down years ago. Turns out Bellingcat used manipulated satellite images in its report that blamed Russia.

The West is not even making mistakes, it deliberately commits crimes and then covers it up with the help of Western media, which are all in on it.
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