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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 04-22-2024, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Lol.

Trying to square all the crying I've heard about the US even sending their older tech to Ukraine with that claim.

You can be pro-Russia without going into complete fantasy land.

Meanwhile, the entire theatre is one gigantic meatgrinder. It's sad, I can't tell you who is going to lose more but nobody is winning in this bloodbath.
Still waiting for the US to develop a hypersonic missile. Try to keep up.
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Old 04-22-2024, 09:26 AM
 
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Meanwhile, the entire theatre is one gigantic meatgrinder. It's sad, I can't tell you who is going to lose more but nobody is winning in this bloodbath.
Bingo.

The only winners are the military industrial complex and the Ukrainian oligarchs who the CIA just warned to stop stealing from US foreign aid.

$$$$$$$

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...with-the-enemy
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Old 04-22-2024, 10:05 AM
 
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Bingo.

The only winners are the military industrial complex and the Ukrainian oligarchs who the CIA just warned to stop stealing from US foreign aid.

$$$$$$$

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...with-the-enemy


You say the only winners are the military industrial complex and the Ukrainian oligarchs.....


So Putin is not a winner? ....interesting....
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Old 04-22-2024, 10:20 AM
 
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You do realize The West has lost the arms race don't you? Even the Chinese are making our stealth fighters not so stealth. We can't produce enough stuff to send to Ukraine even if we could they are running out of people to pull off the streets to send to their death. Best to end it now or do you really think Russia wants to conquer all of Europe? Please gimme a break.
It will end when Putin wants it to end, so pretty much never until he dies. In the meantime the Ukrainians need to defend themselves. Let me put it in perspective for you people to understand: if you have villainous people trying to break in to your home and do you and your family harm, wouldn't you want guns and ammo to protect yourself and your family?
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Old 04-22-2024, 10:32 AM
 
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Still waiting for the US to develop a hypersonic missile. Try to keep up.
Russia also was a leader in high-speed torpedos.

Why? They got so far behind on subs that they wanted ones that knowing they were doomed could fire a high speed nuclear tipped torp back at the US sub to take them with them.

Developing a niche weapon is fine but often the result of a shortcoming of your basic capabilities or to overcome something (missile defenses) that your opponent has but you don't.

This was on full display recently as Russia continue to have it's ships sunk, refineries hit and the iran strike on Israel was mostly intercepted.

If you'd like to talk about basic capabilities, how about aircraft carriers? Got any of those that aren't in a shipyard, turned into razor blades or sold to India or China lol?
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Old 04-22-2024, 11:03 AM
 
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Keep sending money. CIA Director asks Zelensky to stop stealing so much money.
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Old 04-22-2024, 11:54 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Russia also was a leader in high-speed torpedos.

Why? They got so far behind on subs that they wanted ones that knowing they were doomed could fire a high speed nuclear tipped torp back at the US sub to take them with them.

Developing a niche weapon is fine but often the result of a shortcoming of your basic capabilities or to overcome something (missile defenses) that your opponent has but you don't.

This was on full display recently as Russia continue to have it's ships sunk, refineries hit and the iran strike on Israel was mostly intercepted.

If you'd like to talk about basic capabilities, how about aircraft carriers? Got any of those that aren't in a shipyard, turned into razor blades or sold to India or China lol?
Speaking of the Russian navy, you bring up some awfully good points.
Many years ago, Russia used to be a landlocked Asian country. Before Peter The Great there was no access to an ocean and Russians dressed as Asians. He changed all that when he annexed what is now St Petersburg.
Could be, the Russians are a little afraid of returning to those days. Not that they will lose St Petersburg of Kaliningrad, but they very well could lose access to Crimea. The Russian navy will continue its decline, I think, as the Russian economy recedes. It costs huge amounts of money to maintain a navy and the future Russia will have little reason to have an actual fighting navy.
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Old 04-22-2024, 12:42 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Nothing said in this thread is of any consequence but I do note that the amount of new people who suddenly started saying how Russia is winning went up as soon as the House funding bill passed. Interesting. I guess new marching orders?
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Old 04-22-2024, 01:17 PM
 
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You say the only winners are the military industrial complex and the Ukrainian oligarchs.....


So Putin is not a winner? ....interesting....
I hear he looks weaker and is about to be toppled. So, that's all propaganda?
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Old 04-22-2024, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Very difficult for Ukraine at the front. By May, things will get worse as Ukrainian head of military intelligence admits.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0...ne-russia-war/
If that is the case why is the U.S sending Ukraine more money? What's the point if they are just going to lose? The amount of money sent to Ukraine to fund this war with Russia is ridiculous.
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