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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:21 AM
 
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I found this article interesting:

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In Ukraine, universities’ revenue largely comes from tuition fees, covered by the government or the students. Both sources have been undermined by the war. The Ukrainian government is understandably directing a lion’s share of its resources to war efforts. Universities expect this income source to fall considerably (perhaps by two-thirds or more) in the coming academic year. Many domestic students have left the country, and the parents of many remaining students have been displaced, often losing their jobs, so they will struggle to cover their children’s university fees. The previously vibrant international student community is expected to shrink substantially in the next academic year. The end result is that, for many institutions, revenue will be a fraction of what is needed to educate the remaining students.
https://voxukraine.org/en/time-to-sa...is-running-out

The longer this war continues, the higher likelihood Ukraine will become a failed state.
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Old 01-19-2024, 09:09 AM
 
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They already are. Do you have any idea how many disputed territory claims there are? ......
Crimea is not disputed territory.
Just because Russia wants it does not make it disputed.
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Old 01-19-2024, 10:16 AM
 
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ISW Update 1/18/24

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...anuary-18-2024

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Jan 18, 2024 - ISW Press

The battlespace in Ukraine continues to be the center of the technological offense-defense race between Russian and Ukrainian forces. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Deputy Chief Major General Vadym Skibitskyi stated on January 18 that Russian forces "learn quickly enough" and have completely adapted the Kh-101 air-launched cruise missile compared to the model that Russia used in 2022. Skibitsky stated that new Kh-101s are equipped with an active electronic warfare (EW) system and "thermal traps" to prevent the missiles from emitting trackable heat signatures. Skibitsky noted that Ukrainian forces need to innovate and adapt in response to Russian adaptations to "prevent the loss of territories." The GUR assessment of Russian technological innovation in the air domain is consistent with ISW's previous observations that Russian forces are adapting their methods and means for conducting strikes on Ukraine, and that Ukraine in turn must adapt and innovate with Western support to respond to such strikes. Moscow Duma Deputy Andrei Medvedev identified similar adaptation-response dynamics in a January 18 post where he discussed the use of drones by both Russian and Ukrainian forces. Medvedev stated that Russia has opted for the mass production of drones, leading to the production of large numbers of drones that lack the technological adaptations needed to compete with Ukrainian drones based on battlefield experience. Medvedev noted that Ukrainian forces are constantly improving their drones and warned that constant Ukrainian innovation may eventually make Russian mass-produced drones ineffective. Medvedev's discussion of the importance of constant technological adaptation and innovation on the battlefield emphasizes ISW's assessment that Russian and Ukrainian forces are engaged in a technological and tactical offense-defense race.
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Old 01-19-2024, 10:22 AM
 
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Crimea is not disputed territory.
Just because Russia wants it does not make it disputed.
Russia has taken Crimea and controls Crimea. It considers Crimea to be part of Russia and the Russian government administers it. De facto. Ukraine disagrees and would like it back.
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Old 01-19-2024, 11:07 AM
 
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I found this article interesting:



https://voxukraine.org/en/time-to-sa...is-running-out

The longer this war continues, the higher likelihood Ukraine will become a failed state.
Got that straight.

If Ukraine's allies don't step up, and help them out here, they are quite likely to be absorbed into Russia.

What chance do they have?

As some have boasted repeatedly, Russia has more men they are able to sacrifice than Ukraine does. Comparing the number of fighting-age men in Russia vs Ukraine in 2022, looks roughly like 4 to 1. So if every 4 dead Russian soldiers kills 1 Ukrainian, eventually they will both run out of men.

Not sure what the current kill ratio is. All I've seen are Twitter posts. So who knows how this is going.

For some reason, Republicans in Congress have decided to back Russia. I haven't been keeping up as I should. I hear they've blocked funding for another month. Impossible to imagine their dilly dallying is due to mere incompetence.
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Old 01-19-2024, 11:10 AM
 
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America could learn a great deal about how to fight a war from Israel.

The way the allies are playing out the war in Ukraine it will go on forever, and will end as every conflict in which we have engaged in the last couple of decades has with the USA either pulling out completely and the aggressor taking that which they want, or it will end in a divided nation with Russia taking what they have and Ukraine living in the smaller geographical area until Russi decides they want more, and they will simply take it.

America has a great military capacity, but we sure don't exert it either threaten with it nor use it to our advantage. We play these silly little "targeted excursions" which accomplish very little.

I support a full military strike against anything which is inside the former Ukraine border. F-16's with our own pilots, anything we have which will push the aggressor back to the original borders. Including getting Russia out of Crimea.

Military Hawk? You bet i am. Watch what Israel does and emulate their approach. (And no, i don't feel any sympathy for the thousands of Palestinians (who deserve a homeland) who are dead after they failed to root out Hamas, and they applauded in the streets as captives were dragged and raped in public spaces).

Israel's actions aren't really working, so I don't understand how you can use them as an example for America to follow. The problem with "using all our might" to end a war as you suggest, is the inevitable degrade of our own capabilities in the process. Not the mention causing social upheaval since such efforts would require a draft. Both actions would weaken our nation. Take off the Red, White, and Blue glasses for a minute and realize how the world actually works. The U.S. in not invincible. A larger conflict with greater power country could very well lead to a U.S. defeat. There is a reason why we haven't committed troops or U.S. pilots as you suggest. Because we know the Russian capabilities and under the high stakes (even excluding the nuclear threat) are not worth it.
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Old 01-20-2024, 08:43 AM
 
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The Republican outrage at corruption is a hoot, given all the Republicans who've been charged, and convicted of criminal activity over the last several decades.

It's like 85:1 or some such numbers, with the ratio increasing on a regular basis.

Some say t the Republican Party should be under a RICCO indictment, as they're all complicit in this constant effort to overthrow the duly elected government.

The deal is, Russia is not our friend. They've been clear about that for decades. There were attempts to invite them in as trading partners in hopes that those who trade together don't launch wars against each other. Optimistic. Sadly.

Instead of seeing the benefits of being a trading partner with Ukraine, Russia decided to invade and take it all for themselves.

The question is now,
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Old 01-20-2024, 09:16 AM
 
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ISW Update 1/19/24

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...anuary-19-2024

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Jan 19, 2024 - ISW Press

Russia is conducting an information operation to misrepresent NATO’s defensive "Steadfast Defender 2024" exercises – a response to Russia’s aggression against Ukraine and Russian threats directed towards NATO members - as provocative. NATO’s Steadfast Defender 2024 exercises begin this week and will continue through May 2024.

Russian forces will be able to determine the location, tempo, and operational requirements of fighting in Ukraine if Ukraine commits itself to defensive operations throughout 2024 as some US officials are reportedly pressing Kyiv to do
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Old 01-20-2024, 09:45 AM
 
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The Republican outrage at corruption is a hoot, given all the Republicans who've been charged, and convicted of criminal activity over the last several decades.

It's like 85:1 or some such numbers, with the ratio increasing on a regular basis.

Some say t the Republican Party should be under a RICCO indictment, as they're all complicit in this constant effort to overthrow the duly elected government.

The deal is, Russia is not our friend. They've been clear about that for decades. There were attempts to invite them in as trading partners in hopes that those who trade together don't launch wars against each other. Optimistic. Sadly.

Instead of seeing the benefits of being a trading partner with Ukraine, Russia decided to invade and take it all for themselves.


The question is now,
This Republican sees the war exactly as you do, as do all my Republican friends. So most of your feelings about how Republicans feel as simply off base. The people I know will reluctantly vote for Trump if he is the nominee, but our reluctance may turn to enthusiasm if the right VP is chosen.


Russia in no one's friend. The world has turned against Russia, and I think that took Putin completely by surprise. He had saved some $600B because he knew sanctions were coming, but he did not see losing $300B through seizure, did not see the depth of sanctions imposed, did not see losing the European energy market, and did not see the depth of boycotts which have effected the nearly all industries including automobile and airline.
Today, Russia is in very deep trouble. The war they thought would last a few weeks will go on for years and even if it ends somehow, the sanctions, isolation and boycotts will not end. They cannot break through the Ukrainian lines, and Ukraine is becoming armed with more advanced and better weapons every month. There are attacks of every sort going on inside Russia itself, and they brought it all on themselves.
The sole bright spot in Russia is the fact that Russia men live only 66 years, so when their working life is done, they simply die. This makes the coming demographic collapse a little less painful compared with other countries, while the mass exodus from Russia by young men makes it a little more painful.
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Old 01-20-2024, 10:16 AM
 
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This Republican sees the war exactly as you do, as do all my Republican friends. So most of your feelings about how Republicans feel as simply off base. The people I know will reluctantly vote for Trump if he is the nominee, but our reluctance may turn to enthusiasm if the right VP is chosen.


Russia in no one's friend. The world has turned against Russia, and I think that took Putin completely by surprise. He had saved some $600B because he knew sanctions were coming, but he did not see losing $300B through seizure, did not see the depth of sanctions imposed, did not see losing the European energy market, and did not see the depth of boycotts which have effected the nearly all industries including automobile and airline.
Today, Russia is in very deep trouble. The war they thought would last a few weeks will go on for years and even if it ends somehow, the sanctions, isolation and boycotts will not end. They cannot break through the Ukrainian lines, and Ukraine is becoming armed with more advanced and better weapons every month. There are attacks of every sort going on inside Russia itself, and they brought it all on themselves.
The sole bright spot in Russia is the fact that Russia men live only 66 years, so when their working life is done, they simply die. This makes the coming demographic collapse a little less painful compared with other countries, while the mass exodus from Russia by young men makes it a little more painful.
Got to disagree with you on Republicans not supporting Russia.

Republicans are currently blocking funding to Ukraine.

They were fine with Trump's attempt to block military aid to Ukraine until Zelensky announced a bogus investigation to smear Biden.

Also fine with Trump passing classified intel to Russians in the Oval Office.

I could go on, but you get the picture.

You and your Republican friends may not be shilling for Russia, but your Republican Party certainly is.

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