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Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast and in the Bakhmut area on September 29. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces attacked north of Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and near Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv) and Novoprokopivka (13km south of Orikhiv) on September 28 and 29. Russian milbloggers claimed on September 29 that Ukrainian forces unsuccessfully attempted to advance east of the railway line south of Bakhmut near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) and Kurdyumivka (13km southwest of Bakhmut) and reported heavy fighting across the Klishchiivka-Andriivka-Kurdyumivka line.
Oliver Stone's Ukraine on Fire, complete with it's clear pro-Kremlin agenda. Putin, Yanukovich, and his police minister are interviewed, oh jeez, I wonder what their opinions would be? Perspectives from the Ukrainian position are not interviewed at all.
Is Oliver Stone biased? Yes. Should you consider his movie the end-all-be-all of the Ukraine conflict? No. But he literally shows you video clips of people like George Soros admitting their roles as well as the financial receipts. Combine that with what Nuland said, what Oleg Tsarov said in 2013, the fact that many American government officials went to Kiev during the protests, on top of everything else we know about "color revolutions", US foreign-policy, American interventionism/meddling in foreign elections/governments(including many attempted and some successful coup attempts), the fact that the National Endowment for Democracy exists at all and functions as an arm of the CIA to start coups. And then match that with everything happening just as Nuland said it would, and the fact that she said "F*** the EU" when discussing whether to proceed in the coup.
No one who knows anything about geopolitics would claim America wasn't heavily involved in the 2014 coup. No one who understands geopolitics would believe the coup would have happened without American support.
Why am I even arguing with you? You can't possibly believe anything you say. I don't even understand why you refuse to admit it was a US-orchestrated coup. It's not like it is the first coup America has ever done. I mean, why wouldn't America coup Ukraine if it could? America has been trying to coup Belarus as well, and Kazakhstan. We want to coup Venezuela(and Cuba for 60 years), we were helping ISIS overthrow Assad, we helped Al-Qaeda overthrow Gaddafi. We've been attempting coups all over the Middle-East, Latin-America, and Africa for decades. In some cases we even directly invaded for "regime-change".
And here's the truth, if Russia had no allies, it would have been an amazing accomplishment because without China, Russia wouldn't have dared invade Ukraine. If Russia had tried, it would have collapsed. The problem here is that Russia does have friends, lots of them, and the whole world is getting tired of being bullied by the United States. Russia is essentially leading an anti-American coalition against Western hegemony. And they will win.
Donald Trump understood what the "deep-state" was trying to do, and he understood that fighting a war against Russia was a terrible ****ing idea. Which is why Donald Trump was pretty much trying to end NATO(or at least get the Europeans to take over), and to get along with Putin almost to the point of sycophancy, because we need Russia against China.
The neocons were convinced we could defeat Russia, and once their puppet Joe Biden was back in power, they pursued that course. So how's it going? Well, I was listening to Josh Hawley talking about what he heard in a classified briefing, he says we're funding the Ukraine War to "protect America's standing in the world" and that there is no path to victory for Ukraine.
War is always a miscalculation. Either Russia miscalculated or America did. My view is that America miscalculated massively. And that that miscalculation is not only destroying Ukraine, it will destroy America.
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"...Switzerland adopted further sanctions related to Iran’s drone deliveries to Russia, in line with EU measures. Targeted financial and travel sanctions against people and entities connected with Iran’s drone programme are now in place.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and the leaders of five Central Asian nations have pledged to cooperate closely on sanctions in a carefully worded statement that did not specifically name Russia. The announcement came after Scholz met with the leaders of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan in Berlin.
Norway said Russian-registered passenger cars will no longer be allowed to enter its territory starting next week. Norway has a 198km-long (123-mile-long) border in the Arctic with Russia...."
Switzerland has also agreed to fund 1/4th of the $400 million estimated cost to de-mine Ukraine.
This was broadcast on Russian propaganda TV a few days ago. Can we quit with the bs narrative that contrarians in the west love that NATO forced Russia into this war? The Russians themselves don't believe it. This war is about the restoration of the Russian empire at the expense of their neighbors. It has been since day one. They don't hide it. Those of you who are rambling on about the west forcing them into this are just their useful idiots. This is probably the most effective debunking of that theory and it comes directly from the mouth of Russian state TV. Goebbels could have written this speech:
This was broadcast on Russian propaganda TV a few days ago. Can we quit with the bs narrative that contrarians in the west seem to love that NATO forced Russia into this war? The Russians themselves don't believe it. This war is about the restoration of the Russian empire at the expense of their neighbors. It has been that since day one. They don't hide it. Those of you who are rambling on about the west forcing them into this are just their useful idiots. This is probably the most effective debunking of that theory that you will see and it comes directly from the mouth of Russian state TV. Goebbels could have written this speech about Germany.
He been brainwashed. He doesn't seem to realized that this war is not going well for Russia and those territory that is currently in Russia hand will soon be taken back by Ukraine forces.
This was broadcast on Russian propaganda TV a few days ago. Can we quit with the bs narrative that contrarians in the west love that NATO forced Russia into this war? The Russians themselves don't believe it. This war is about the restoration of the Russian empire at the expense of their neighbors. It has been since day one. They don't hide it. Those of you who are rambling on about the west forcing them into this are just their useful idiots. This is probably the most effective debunking of that theory and it comes directly from the mouth of Russian state TV. Goebbels could have written this speech:
That's not "the Russians" you are showing here.
That's Putin's propagandists, who already don't know what to believe in themselves ( or propagate) from one day to another.
A week later he might be explaining to public something totally opposite, that's how it works over there lately, depending on the turn of events.
This was broadcast on Russian propaganda TV a few days ago. Can we quit with the bs narrative that contrarians in the west love that NATO forced Russia into this war? The Russians themselves don't believe it. This war is about the restoration of the Russian empire at the expense of their neighbors. It has been since day one. They don't hide it. Those of you who are rambling on about the west forcing them into this are just their useful idiots. This is probably the most effective debunking of that theory and it comes directly from the mouth of Russian state TV.
To be fair, both are true at the same time. Empire is a necessity of security. Always has been, always will be.
"The existence of one sovereign, exclusionary State necessarily supposes the existence and, if need be, provokes the formation of other such States, since it is quite natural that individuals who find themselves outside it and are threatened by it in their existence and in their liberty, should, in their turn, associate themselves against it. We thus have humanity divided into an indefinite number of foreign states, all hostile and threatened by each other. There is no common right, no social contract of any kind between them; otherwise they would cease to be independent states and become the federated members of one great state. But unless this great state were to embrace all of humanity, it would be confronted with other great states, each federated within, each maintaining the same posture of inevitable hostility. War would still remain the supreme law, an unavoidable condition of human survival.
Every state, federated or not, would therefore seek to become the most powerful. It must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved."- Mikhail Bakunin
America had to force Russia's hand because a neutral Ukraine benefited Russia(as Arestovych said, if Ukraine doesn't join NATO it will join Russia). And the reason Russia's hand was forced was because Ukraine in NATO would have seriously weakened Russia and threatened its security. It would have guaranteed the loss of Belarus as well to some future color revolution, and probably Kazakhstan. Eventually the Russian Federation would have been balkanized through the exploitation of nationalist/separatist sentiments in the Caucuses and the Far East, as Russia ceased to be a great power.
On the other hand, America's hand was forced because America is terrified of a rising China. If the world continues on its current trajectory, China(The Yellow Peril) will surpass the United States economically and technologically by every measure and the petrodollar will be no more.
In short, the prewar status quo was unsustainable for the United States. And a neutral Ukraine would mean the loss of Ukraine to Russia. At the same time, Russia continues to thwart US foreign-policy on all fronts. Most importantly our regime-change wars since at least 2003.
If we don't take out Russia, we can't take out China. If we don't take Ukraine, we can't take out Russia. And if we don't take out China, democracy will cease to exist.
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America had to force Russia's hand because a neutral Ukraine benefited Russia(as Arestovych said, if Ukraine doesn't join NATO it will join Russia). And the reason Russia's hand was forced was because Ukraine in NATO would have seriously weakened Russia and threatened its security. It would have guaranteed the loss of Belarus as well to some future color revolution, and probably Kazakhstan. Eventually the Russian Federation would have been balkanized through the exploitation of nationalist/separatist sentiments in the Caucuses and the Far East, as Russia ceased to be a great power.
On the other hand, America's hand was forced because America is terrified of a rising China. If the world continues on its current trajectory, China(The Yellow Peril) will surpass the United States economically and technologically by every measure and the petrodollar will be no more.
In short, the prewar status quo was unsustainable for the United States. And a neutral Ukraine would mean the loss of Ukraine to Russia. At the same time, Russia continues to thwart US foreign-policy on all fronts. Most importantly our regime-change wars since at least 2003.
If we don't take out Russia, we can't take out China. If we don't take Ukraine, we can't take out Russia. And if we don't take out China, democracy will cease to exist.
Democracy? You mean Republic don't you? You can see here in the US how much say the citizens have in the way their govt operates. Corrupt officials do what they want. The way is to find a way to coexist with China and Russia not fight.
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