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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 209 40.04%
No 263 50.38%
Unsure 50 9.58%
Voters: 522. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-25-2023, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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That's a strawman argument.

It's very Orwellian that when confronted with facts or logic your side has to shriek Putin bot.


You avoided the message. We have different objectives than Ukraine.

Ukraine's objective is to take back all land including Crimea. Taking back Crimea would involve Russian nukes as a response per our intelligence officials as reported in the WaPo.

Why are we funding Ukraine if we have different objectives?
Talk about strawman arguments! Russia ain't gonna do jack with their nukes, ok?

What Russia is doing in Ukraine, is all they could do in Ukraine. The mines, the trenches, the shock brigades, hitting civilian targets, that's all they got. Meanwhile, AFU is slowly pushing them back, every day there's progress in that regard.
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Old 08-25-2023, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Well, I don't enjoy the 33 trillion. And I'm pretty sure my kids and their kids will not either.

P.S. The obese military budget can be cut by a factor of 4, and your beloved superiority will still be there.
Ok, then put your vote to use. Vivek is probably your man. I just want to see him do a Beavis impersonation, he'd own it!
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:16 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Well, I don't enjoy the 33 trillion. And I'm pretty sure my kids and their kids will not either.

P.S. The obese military budget can be cut by a factor of 4, and your beloved superiority will still be there.
Don't lie. You are not American.
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:35 AM
 
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Don't lie. You are not American.
Lol. Just out of curiosity what made you arrive at this erroneous conclusion?
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:44 AM
 
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Russian army HQ in Tokmak is destroyed by missile.

More invaders killed in up-close combat.

Russian resistance groups call on Wagner to join them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJ2zwnrNNM
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Old 08-25-2023, 12:21 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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That's a different argument.

The other poster was repeating a lie: that we haven't added debt.

Seems like interventionists have to constantly ignore, lie, and slander.
Where did the other poster say that?
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Old 08-25-2023, 12:24 PM
 
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Article about Prigozhin’s farewell tour of Africa…

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/pri...-days-2c44dd5c

The Last Days of Wagner’s Prigozhin
On the run, the paramilitary chief crisscrossed his global business empire, desperate to show he was still in control; ‘I need more gold’

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Yevgeny Prigozhin spent his final days planning for the future.

Last Friday, the warlord’s private jet touched down in the capital of Central African Republic, on a mission to salvage one of the first client states of his Wagner mercenary company. His African empire had come to include some 5,000 men deployed across the continent.

In the riverside presidential palace in Bangui, the capital, Prigozhin told President Faustin-Archange Touadera that his aborted June mutiny in Russia wouldn’t stop him from bringing new fighters and investments to his business partners in Central Africa, according to three people familiar with the meeting.

Shortly after, a Wagner helicopter landed nearby carrying five commanders from Sudan’s Rapid Support Forces, a paramilitary group reliant on the mercenary group to wage war against their country’s government. The delegation had traveled to Bangui from the restive Darfur province bearing a gift for Prigozhin, who had provided them surface-to-air missiles: gold bars from the mines his mercenaries helped secure in Sudan’s war-torn west.

On the other side of the Sahara, Prigozhin’s rivals in Russia’s defense ministry were delivering a competing message to Wagner’s clients in Libya...
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Old 08-25-2023, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Article about Prigozhin’s farewell tour of Africa…

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/pri...-days-2c44dd5c

The Last Days of Wagner’s Prigozhin
On the run, the paramilitary chief crisscrossed his global business empire, desperate to show he was still in control; ‘I need more gold’
Ah man, pay wall. Too bad, looked a good article.
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Old 08-25-2023, 02:25 PM
 
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Putin doesn't know it but he has been doing Ukraine a favor by getting rid of the hard liners in Russia. To him, they were just a threat to his power and had to be dealt with.
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Old 08-25-2023, 03:51 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66603644
Ukraine conducts special military operation in Crimea.

Seems like it was for information and psychological purposes.
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