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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 209 40.04%
No 263 50.38%
Unsure 50 9.58%
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:37 AM
 
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Yury Podoliaka (https://t.me/yurasumy), journalist:

▪️It seems that the West will make up for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as far as possible: now they are losing Leopard 2 tanks, and the weaker Leopard 1 will be supplied, because even in Germany there are no extra tanks. For other weapons, they will supply what is in the warehouses - new ones, as I understand it, will no longer be supplied.

▪️French missiles are similar to British ones, we shoot them down by dozens, routine work is going on. There are not so many of them in British warehouses, so we decided to use French warehouses.

▪️Western media are already writing that it takes years to replenish stocks of NATO warehouses. If you throw everything away now, what to do in six months? They are trying to solve a complex problem.

▪️Zaporozhye direction: the attack was yesterday. Ours lured several companies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into a fire bag: they let us in closer, pressed them with fire. Then the enemy lay down, surrounded by minefields, followed by destruction by artillery and aircraft. A few dozen people ran away. In the Orekhov direction, the 42nd division recaptured some of the previously lost positions.

▪️Artyomovskoe direction: the activity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decreases at the end of the summit. Our reserves were able to recapture part of the lines that the enemy occupied the day before. The main heights are still behind us.

▪️Kupyanskoye direction: we went to Torskoye, which, together with Zarechny, is the most important communications hub. If we take it, then we leave about 8-10 km from the outskirts of Liman and can attack Liman and Yampol, which will complicate the logistics and defense of the enemy in the northern direction.

▪️Yesterday there was information that the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Sporny is preparing to evacuate, because we are shooting through all the logistics routes.

▪️There is an attack on Kuzemovka. It is important for us to take height 190. Yesterday we moved south of this height. After its capture, we can expect a more rapid offensive in the direction of Stelmahovka and the Oskol reservoir. The idea of ​​our command to conduct a local offensive operation in the Kharkov region, it seems, is beginning to be realized.

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Appears, pendulum is now swinning in the opposite direction. RAF gain momentum
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:44 AM
 
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Russian general fired after criticising army leaders
A top Russian general has been dismissed after laying bare the dire situation in Ukraine.

Maj Gen Ivan Popov, who commanded the 58th Army fighting around Zaporizhzhia, blasted the high causality rate, lack of artillery and poor military intelligence in the Russian army.

"It was necessary either to keep quiet and be a coward or to say it the way it is," he said in a voice message posted on Telegram.

"I had no right to lie in the name of you, in the name of my fallen comrades in arms, so I outlined all the problems which exist."

Russian military bloggers claim the order came from the head of Russia's armed forces, Gen Valery Gerasimov, who accused the fired general of "alarmism and blackmail".
https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/13/...et-humanitaria
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:48 AM
 
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Sum up the last 2 day of NATO summit. Sweeden is getting admitted in to the NATO. Ukrainian pilots will be getting F16 in about 6 months. Many more weapons system will be given to the Ukraine. Putin learned that only friends that he has is with other communist countries such as Cuba and Belarus.
Allright.
Let's do it. I'm easy.
Sweden is NOT accepted to NATO. Sweden is given OK by Erdogan to be accepted to NATO. Get the difference? How long does it take to, actually, have all the formalities legalized? Also, if it burns one more Q'Ran, Erdogan, who already lost any face among his Islamic neighbors, will be FORCED to stop that OR be ostracized. And, as in deep s-thole Turkey is now, he can't afford that.
That is cleared.
Infamous F16s MAY arrive in SIX months. MAY. With no infrastructure for their maintenance and poorly trained pilots. Old, way outdated planes. Russian Sushki will have lots of fun with them. But, let me ask this. Where will be Russian forces in six months? Kyiv? Ternopil?
That is cleared.
As of the "many more weapon systems" please read my post above. Old tanks and borrowed old munition? Oh c'mon, Mister. That's not even immature, it's naïve at the best.

I'll be nice:

▪️It seems that the West will make up for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as far as possible: now they are losing Leopard 2 tanks, and the weaker Leopard 1 will be supplied, because even in Germany there are no extra tanks. For other weapons, they will supply what is in the warehouses - new ones, as I understand it, will no longer be supplied.

▪️French missiles are similar to British ones, we shoot them down by dozens, routine work is going on. There are not so many of them in British warehouses, so we decided to use French warehouses.

▪️Western media are already writing that it takes years to replenish stocks of NATO warehouses. If you throw everything away now, what to do in six months? They are trying to solve a complex problem.
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:49 AM
 
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The West can't keep up with Russian manufacturing of military goods. So they'll continue to send 3 day old fish to the piano player and get more Ukranian guys dead. Once the shelves are cleared they'll sit down with Ivan. Maybe even before Putin walks the streets of Odessa.
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:51 AM
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Everyone has questioned it, EVEN Democrats and NATO partners.

This is what happens when you live in a tiny woke warmonger bubble of “Russia bad, Ukraine good.” When in fact both countries are worthless, corrupt, and impoverished that will always border eachother.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Ukraine.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...aine-1.6471584

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2023-07-08/

https://www.politico.eu/article/spai...ussia-war/amp/

Let me guess, Politico and Reuters are Putin propaganda? Spain, Canada, and the U.K. are Putin puppets? Some of you refuse to critically think and it shows.
I don't live in that bubble. You live in an "everything Biden supports is bad bubble." I'd bet you supported us using those things in Iraq.

I've been to Russia several times. We have Russian friends. We've stayed in their apartments. We even have a Russian Facebook friend who has the "Z" on her page. What Putin is doing is pure evil. He will go down in history with Stalin and Saddam Hussein and just behind Hitler and Pol Pot.

As someone pointed out, Putin was using cluster munitions on civilian population centers. Ukraine, at least now, intends to use them on military positions. I've got no problem with cluster munitions. I've got no problem with land mines. I've got no problem with Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the firebombing of Dresden given our technology at the time. When you are in a war, you do what you need to do. If you are going to fight with your hands tied behind your back like we did in Viet Nam, you shouldn't do the war.

Russia and China use cluster munitions and mines. We shouldn't rule out using them. And Ukraine, which is fighting to avoid extermination, certainly has a right to use them. The West Europeans are living in luxury while Ukrainians are dying.
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:54 AM
 
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Russian general fired after criticising army leaders
A top Russian general has been dismissed after laying bare the dire situation in Ukraine.

Maj Gen Ivan Popov, who commanded the 58th Army fighting around Zaporizhzhia, blasted the high causality rate, lack of artillery and poor military intelligence in the Russian army.

"It was necessary either to keep quiet and be a coward or to say it the way it is," he said in a voice message posted on Telegram.

"I had no right to lie in the name of you, in the name of my fallen comrades in arms, so I outlined all the problems which exist."

Russian military bloggers claim the order came from the head of Russia's armed forces, Gen Valery Gerasimov, who accused the fired general of "alarmism and blackmail".


That indeed was a great loss to RAF. Man is true battle commander and did stellar jobs defeating AFU attacks.
It tells you, how deep intrenched is the fifth column into the Russian government. Basically, traitors. At any level, even as high as the high military command.
Now, Do y'all remember purges, Stalin had to do, to clear HIS military from the same plague? See, how it works? Except, there is one tiny little issue. Vovan is not Stalin. Stalin was a leader and fearless. Vovan is a manager and moderator.
Pity Russia. They seriously need Lukashenko at helm.
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:56 AM
 
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I don't live in that bubble. You live in an "everything Biden supports is bad bubble." I'd bet you supported us using those things in Iraq.

I've been to Russia several times. We have Russian friends. We've stayed in their apartments. We even have a Russian Facebook friend who has the "Z" on her page. What Putin is doing is pure evil. He will go down in history with Stalin and Saddam Hussein and just behind Hitler and Pol Pot.

As someone pointed out, Putin was using cluster munitions on civilian population centers. Ukraine, at least now, intends to use them on military positions. I've got no problem with cluster munitions. I've got no problem with land mines. I've got no problem with Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the firebombing of Dresden given our technology at the time. When you are in a war, you do what you need to do. If you are going to fight with your hands tied behind your back like we did in Viet Nam, you shouldn't do the war.

Russia and China use cluster munitions and mines. We shouldn't rule out using them. And Ukraine, which is fighting to avoid extermination, certainly has a right to use them. The West Europeans are living in luxury while Ukrainians are dying.
I am very sorry, no offense. You do live in a bubble. Personal choice, yet.
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Old 07-13-2023, 08:33 AM
 
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I don't live in that bubble. You live in an "everything Biden supports is bad bubble." I'd bet you supported us using those things in Iraq.

I've been to Russia several times. We have Russian friends. We've stayed in their apartments. We even have a Russian Facebook friend who has the "Z" on her page. What Putin is doing is pure evil. He will go down in history with Stalin and Saddam Hussein and just behind Hitler and Pol Pot.

As someone pointed out, Putin was using cluster munitions on civilian population centers. Ukraine, at least now, intends to use them on military positions. I've got no problem with cluster munitions. I've got no problem with land mines. I've got no problem with Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the firebombing of Dresden given our technology at the time. When you are in a war, you do what you need to do. If you are going to fight with your hands tied behind your back like we did in Viet Nam, you shouldn't do the war.

Russia and China use cluster munitions and mines. We shouldn't rule out using them. And Ukraine, which is fighting to avoid extermination, certainly has a right to use them. The West Europeans are living in luxury while Ukrainians are dying.
1. I didn't.

2. So what has changed since 2014?

3. I do, since neither was militarily necessary.

4. More than two million Vietnamese civilians died.
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Old 07-13-2023, 08:35 AM
 
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As Turkey moves further away from Russia and engages more with NATO, Russia has reason to be concerned.
The Turkish navy outguns the Russia navy in the Black Sea. On April 10, this year, TGC Anadolu, a 27,000 ton aircraft carrier was commissioned. It is designed to accommodate short or vertical take off aircraft, to facilitate amphibious landings and to be used as command and support for the Turkish navy.

Turkey has now guaranteed support for grain shipments leaving the Black Sea. That means, should the Russians try to stop grain ships, Turkey will intervene. FWIW, Turkey outnumbers the Russian fleet 5 to 1 in the Black Sea.

Russia cannot reinforce its Black Sea fleet and now Turkey has the ability to engage in amphibious warfare.
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Old 07-13-2023, 08:37 AM
 
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I am very sorry, no offense. You do live in a bubble. Personal choice, yet.
I also live in a bubble. A very solid, impenetrable bubble where right and wrong are clearly understood.

I don't want out. And you can't get in.
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