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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 03-14-2023, 02:00 AM
 
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Brief comment by Mearsheimer. It's short. (I'm not into Christ Hedges and he's not in this talk.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7D6usfNUVI
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Old 03-14-2023, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Crimea?.... It helps - really helps! - if you understand the difficulty and cost of retaking it. But also, you need to understand what will happen to Russia if they lose it.
Crimea is (relatively) easy to defend and has been defended many times. Each time, the attacking party lost many, many men.
The land attack can only come through the 5-mile wide Isthmus of Perekop and the Russians know it. The Isthmus has been targeted already and the cost of funneling the Ukrainian army through that gap will be huge.
No air superiority. No navy at all. It's gonna be tough. Always has been. My own feeling is that Ukraine should make Crimea unfit for civilian habitation and deadly for soldiers, the way Russia did to Ukrainian cities - no power. No water.
33 Minute video, but for those who need to know facts, it has plenty of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFYDYSYapz4
Even talking about Ukraine liberating Crimea is so incredibly premature, considering that they have made almost zero progress in the last six months toward liberating any of the other territories.

This is why NATO must get involved. A full all out NATO operation could liberate all of the Ukraine in no time. How long would it take Ukraine to do it by themselves? 100 years maybe?
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Old 03-14-2023, 04:31 AM
 
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Yeah I had some more rounds of chemotherapy and took a break from here for much of it. Im not sure why they took a break. Also the next month or so should show some movement here as NATO armor shows up eventually.

I thought you were suspended. Chemo is not fun. I hope it helped.
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Old 03-14-2023, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Even talking about Ukraine liberating Crimea is so incredibly premature, considering that they have made almost zero progress in the last six months toward liberating any of the other territories.

This is why NATO must get involved. A full all out NATO operation could liberate all of the Ukraine in no time. How long would it take Ukraine to do it by themselves? 100 years maybe?
Go back to sleep.
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Old 03-14-2023, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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This is why NATO must get involved. A full all out NATO operation could liberate all of the Ukraine in no time. How long would it take Ukraine to do it by themselves? 100 years maybe?
Wrong. Ukraine is not worth 1 western troop.

The western troops who have died did so voluntarily.

What’s the purpose of NATO if every non-NATO country gets a NATO response.
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:27 AM
 
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If there is a god, he is on the side of the Russians. My position is not that the Ukrainians should bow to the Russians. My position is that the Ukrainians should have done the right thing. Putin's main failing was in allowing the Ukrainians to murder and mistreat people for eight years. He essentially abandoned millions of Russians to the wolves because he was too afraid of America. The only reason this war is possible now is because Putin got assurances from China/BRICS/etc.

Regardless, any honest person who has done any research whatsoever(such as watching the Vice News series, or the Oliver Stone documentaries), will understand that Ukraine was/is an extremely divided country, and that this war is fundamentally a Civil War that began after a US-backed coup.

When you're in a divided country, the best course of action is neutrality. Why do you think Switzerland has been neutral for hundreds of years? Had the German Swiss majority forced Switzerland into a military alliance against France and Italy, Switzerland wouldn't exist.

The Ukrainian people have the right to independence, but the majority doesn't have the right to force the minority into a military alliance against themselves. Nor does the majority have a right to ethnically-cleanse the country of minorities(especially not historical minorities who have a stronger claim to the land than the majority).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Everything the Western media has said about Ukraine and this war has been a lie.
Everything in your post is a lie.
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Wrong. Ukraine is not worth 1 western troop.

The western troops who have died did so voluntarily.

What’s the purpose of NATO if every non-NATO country gets a NATO response.
To stop the Russian Empire before the NATO dominoes start to fall maybe? People like you are the reason the Ukraine is going to lose this war.

Why don't you ask your ridiculous question to Lithuania and Poland who are NATO members. Then give yourself two for having zero understanding of what you post.

Lithuanian president_ ‘NATO is not doing enough to help Ukraine win’

‘We will be in danger if Russia wins’_ Security concerns drive Poland’s support for Ukraine
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:45 AM
 
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If there is a god, he is on the side of the Russians. My position is not that the Ukrainians should bow to the Russians. My position is that the Ukrainians should have done the right thing. Putin's main failing was in allowing the Ukrainians to murder and mistreat people for eight years. He essentially abandoned millions of Russians to the wolves because he was too afraid of America. The only reason this war is possible now is because Putin got assurances from China/BRICS/etc.

Regardless, any honest person who has done any research whatsoever(such as watching the Vice News series, or the Oliver Stone documentaries), will understand that Ukraine was/is an extremely divided country, and that this war is fundamentally a Civil War that began after a US-backed coup.

When you're in a divided country, the best course of action is neutrality. Why do you think Switzerland has been neutral for hundreds of years? Had the German Swiss majority forced Switzerland into a military alliance against France and Italy, Switzerland wouldn't exist.

The Ukrainian people have the right to independence, but the majority doesn't have the right to force the minority into a military alliance against themselves. Nor does the majority have a right to ethnically-cleanse the country of minorities(especially not historical minorities who have a stronger claim to the land than the majority).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Everything the Western media has said about Ukraine and this war has been a lie.
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Everything in your post is a lie.
Redshadowz has some of the best and most accurate posts to this thread...none of it is lies.
It's facts and great insight.
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Old 03-14-2023, 08:44 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Crimea?.......... Ukraine may be able to get it back, but it doesn't look like the conventional methods are going to do it.
We know Ukraine can turn off the water - or dam it up, actually.
I'm pretty sure they can destroy the power grid and they can destroy the Kerch Bridge.


Basically, it looks like it is going to take a siege while waiting for the Russians to get sick of the whole thing and revolt. Might be a good idea to leave the bridge so they will have a way to leave.
I don't think we'll ever see NATO on the battlefield. I do think we'll see a Ukraine free from uniformed Russians. Even as our resident double agent says, if it takes "100 years".
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Old 03-14-2023, 10:29 AM
 
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Kazakhstan seizes property of Roskosmos at Baikonur and demands $26 million - report

Kazakhstan has seized the property of the Center for the Operation of Terrestrial Space Infrastructure operating in Baikonur, a subsidiary of Roscosmos, and intends to recover from it a debt of 13.5 billion tenge ($26.3 million). The head of the company is forbidden to leave the country, Moskovsky Komsomolets reports… The resulting conflict could lead to Russia's withdrawal from Baikonur, the publication said.

https://akipress.com/news:697352:Kazakhstan_seizes_property_of_Roskosmo s_at_Baikonur_and_demands_$26_million_-_report/
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