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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.57%
No 258 50.79%
Unsure 49 9.65%
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Old 02-26-2023, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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at this point, for those of us that just scroll over C-D Russian historians posts, here's a short read on why Pooty boy really did invade Ukraine..personally, I think it would make a fine short read about his life's work in his obituary..

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War in Ukraine ‘stems from the Orange Revolution, a humiliating ordeal for Putin’
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...deal-for-putin
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Old 02-26-2023, 01:57 PM
 
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Russian invaders and Excalibur met.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXICZGPBwQU
This video shows in more details on what was destroyed by the Excalibur. The truck that was destroyed looks nice. Russia can make military equipment too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvOytkk1sc
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:00 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The photos must be old, I doubt trees are that green there now.
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:05 PM
 
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The United States supports everything that is intended to provoke Russia. If the Ukrainians are burning Russians alive in Odessa, we support it. If the Ukrainians are imprisoning people sympathetic to Russia, tying them naked to lightposts in the middle of winter, we support it. If the Ukrainians are shutting down media sympathetic to Russia, and banning opposition political parties, we support it. If the Ukrainians are banning religious sects that are sympathetic to Russia, we support it.

The whole point of nationalism in Eastern Europe is that it is anti-Russian. If Ukrainian nationalism was anti-European we wouldn't allow it. Nationalism is a weapon. That is the point.
For the sake of argument, lets assume that all of that is true.

So what? Aren't US national interests more closely aligned with Europe than with Russia? Isn't Europe home to free democracies with powerful economies, while Russia is an impoverished, generally hostile kleptocracy?

Now we have an impoverished, hostile, kleptocracy that targets civilians and kidnaps children invading a fledgling democracy that has signaled an interest in moving closer to Europe.

I support the friendly fledgling democracy that got sucker punched. You support the evil kleptocracy that invaded and raped the smaller country.

You do you.
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:05 PM
 
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I don't know

Doesn't really matter anyway, the exchange rate is what it is.
You do understand what the open market is and how that pegs the exchange rate in the real world don't you?
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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You could get paid or be doing it pro bono.

If you parrot Russian Propaganda talking points and run apologetics for genocide you are behaving in a manner that is indistinguishable from the behavior of a paid Russian bot.

If you are actually actively making money from it is functionally irrelevant, as the end effect is the same.

I'm quite sure there are plenty of people who are brainwashed enough to play the role of Russian propaganda bot for free (as evidenced by this thread).

Again another who thinks being anti war means being pro Russia. As to who will be the ultimate loser in all of this we will find out soon enough. You live in the US? You will be one as will I. This is another useless war being pushed by the neocons for their own pockets. You think it is about democracy and freedom in an Eastern European $hithole? You would be mistaken.
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:18 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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For the sake of argument, lets assume that all of that is true.

So what? Aren't US national interests more closely aligned with Europe than with Russia? Isn't Europe home to free democracies with powerful economies, while Russia is an impoverished, generally hostile kleptocracy?

Now we have an impoverished, hostile, kleptocracy that targets civilians and kidnaps children invading a fledgling democracy that has signaled an interest in moving closer to Europe.

I support the friendly fledgling democracy that got sucker punched. You support the evil kleptocracy that invaded and raped the smaller country.

You do you.

Morals are more important than your personal preferences. International law doesn't care about your illusion of freedom, democracy etc.

Much of what you write is propaganda lacking any truth.

What you need to understand is that Ukraine has been one big dump for a long time, more corrupt than ever. Zelensky is also listed in the Panama papers for a reason. Ukraine is NOT defending Western values and all that bla bla bla at all. Up until the war it was pretty much the opposite and even Western MSM such as the Guardian wrote about it, complaining about the increasingly authoritarian regime that was violating human rights, becoming infested with Nazism etc. Then, when the war started, all of that criticism abruptly ended. Ukraine did not change for the better, but now the West is fighting for Ukrainian values, which is a catastrophe for us. Many people don't realize that, yet.

And spare us the invaded and raped a smaller country nonsense. Ukraine gets what it deserves due to its years of gross human rights violations, some even say attempted genocide.
Just because a country gets invaded, does not automatically mean it is the good, innocent victim. Think of Nazi Germany that got invaded by a lot of countries. Was it the poor victim? Certainly not. It got what it deserved.


To those Americans who want to deny the Donbass their independence (including joining Russia), remember that you would still be a British colony with that attitude.
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:19 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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You do understand what the open market is and how that pegs the exchange rate in the real world don't you?
That is why I wrote what I wrote. It doesn't matter how the exchange rate comes about, it is what it is, and it is being applied to business the way it is.
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:48 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You do realize Russia has the full backing of China… don’t you?.........l
(Chuckles).... Is "full backing" when you buy Russian oil at cost, knowing that there are few other buyers?
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Old 02-26-2023, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It looks like Russia is moving away from their BTG's into something else that won't work on the battlefield.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...22073487613953

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Russian forces are revamping their assault tactics after experiencing failures with their current structure. The Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs) are getting replaced with a new unit called the "Assault Unit" or "Assault Detachment", which I will discuss in this thread.
Interesting thread. It should be called the "building an airplane while its flying strategy". Apparently this new approach comes from the Wagner Group tactics of using released prisoners as cannon fodder to locate Ukrainian artillery. From my understanding these tactics do not fit into the current Russian hierarchy and culture so are going to you know...fail. The Assault Units are smaller than BTG's which were too small for this kind of war in the first place.

Not looking good for Russia
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