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Old 02-03-2022, 11:26 AM
 
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When the US falls there will be nowhere else to go.
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Old 02-03-2022, 11:26 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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You might enjoy Belarus.
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Old 02-03-2022, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Canada
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If so which parts? If going to Mexico would it be better to stop there or go further down to South America and would it be better to go by a boat you can (ahem) acquire if you can find a working one or 'acquire' a small airplane and fly under the radar in remote areas if you know the basics of flying and land at a remote strip or non towered airport where only the sleeping dog is the guard and a single fence?

In the Canada scenario where would good and bad places be in terms of politics and geography and in favor of small towns that say NO,etc? I have lived in small towns my whole life so it's no big deal but it would be weird to live in a city!
You are asking people here to advise you on how you can become an illegal immigrant to other countries.

You already know that you will never be able to legally qualify to immigrate to any other countries because you aren't eligible due to your health disabilities that disqualify you. Is that why you want people to tell you how to become an illegal immigrant?

What makes you think that the people in other countries would accept and support you as an illegal immigrant into their countries? As an illegal you wouldn't be eligible for the health benefits that you now get in USA. Where will you get benefits if you become an illegal immigrant in another country? Do you think that the citizens of other countries would welcome a disabled illegal immigrant with open arms and be willing to protect and feed you and pay to support your health and medication needs and keep you hidden away from authorities?

You are believing in a fantasy. Wake up and look at reality. You are better off to stay in USA where you are a legal citizen and already have the very best you're going to get under your circumstances. Stay where you are legal and have the right to be there and can receive health care and the meds that you need and the other disability benefits that you would be eligible for as a legal citizen, and will have freedom of movement and not have to stay in hiding for the rest of your life.

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Old 02-03-2022, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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When the US falls there will be nowhere else to go.
That's not necessarily true.

The Nazis were some of the most unwelcome people who every tried to emigrate, but many managed to do so.
The smartest and most clever of them were able to move to their old enemies homelands, once they could either hide their pasts very well and/or able to prove their worth and usefulness to their newly adopted homelands.

Even the dunces among them found shelter in Paraguay, even after Argentina had turned them down.

Not a single one of those people immigrated legally. Every single one of them needed to have a bunch of forged authentication to leave Europe. Except for Paraguay, where facsism still ruled with an iron hand.
Their emigration didn't ever provide the Nazis a very happy life, no matter where most of them ended up. The more prominent they were in Nazi leadership, the worse the remainder of their lives became.

But the Nazis were quite ill-prepared to emigrate anywhere.
Even when given official approval, they couldn't be Nazis any longer, ever. Those lucky few had to drastically change everything they once had believed was right and wrong, and if those things couldn't change, they had to make everyone around them believe they had changed.

For most, that was an impossibility. So even though they were able to survive, they did so by scraping by as best they could, as permanent outcasts in their new homelands.
Forced into isolation and a life of silence. With none of their brotherhood around to keep them company.
It was a life that was better than one spent in prison, but not by very much, as the Paraguayan jungle is nature's own prison.

Mexicans are always going to be able to spot an American in a split-second. So will Canadians.

Both countries know far, far more about us and our ways than we know of them and their ways.

The one thing I soon learned when spending time in Canada was all Canadians are extremely proud of their nation.
We Americans are like cousins to them. The relatives who we are sometimes happy with or irritated over. Cousins don't affect the family like brother and sisters do.
So I avoided saying anything a Canadian might take as a comparison.
If a Canadian asked for a comparison, I would answer, but carefully; I never tried to make America seem to be superior in any way to Canada whenever I spoke.

Their politics are very different from ours, and they know ours quite well. As long as I simply asked questions about theirs, openly ignorant as I was, they were happy to answer without any rancor. They understand our national ignorance very well indeed.
Very few were curious about our politics. The general attitude was all Americans are half-crazy and extremely irresponsible with ours.

If I was to go to Mexico, I would be like my brother. He's gone down there several times, mostly to visit a friend who's made himself a second life there. After talking to his buddy, he was advised to learn enough Spanish to be able to get on the correct transportation, and to be extremely polite to any old people while traveling.
It was a big help to know some locals who are from Mexico for my brother. He was coached on everything he needed to learn by someone's old grandma, and he's always gotten along well in Mexico since.

Mexico does still like Americans, but they especially like Americans who can be at ease in their culture. Some language really helps build commonality. Spanglish works down there.

And the same goes in Canada, where their English is Canadian. I had to learn how to avoid making some stupid mistake in what I said, even when I was speaking their language.

Would I ever want to start over in either country?
Nope.
Only if I could turn time back to 20 or 30 years in my past. That past was a more peaceful time for all 3 countries.
Each now is troubled in it's own way, and for me, the trouble I am familiar with is better than the trouble I don't know anything at all about.

I have too much investment in my life here to abandon now. So fleeing is out of the question for me.

I have fled before, but fleeing never ended up to be a good solution for my problems. Fleeing them only compounded them.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:02 PM
 
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When the US falls there will be nowhere else to go.
We’re taking everyone out when we go down. Doomsday scenario. Sorry about that.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:07 PM
 
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We’re taking everyone out when we go down. Doomsday scenario. Sorry about that.
Horsechit! You're all bluffery and bluster. You'll take nobody out. Just as has been show in your recent history, you'll huff and puff.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:39 PM
 
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I'd rather run to the other side. Forget it !
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Old 02-03-2022, 05:47 PM
 
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I'd rather run to the other side. Forget it !
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/f...vel/index.html

No Canadian travelling anywhere has ever pretended to be American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_jacking

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-Am...merican-accent

httphttps://www.airliners.net/forum/...p?t=1152919://

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ian-trump-bush

Many of your confreres chose otherwise dating back to just before the Vietnam conflict.

That must be really embarrassing for you.
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Old 02-03-2022, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I prefer the republican form of government, where all men are created equal and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass upon them.
Of course, if you consent to be governed, shut up, sit down, pay and obey. Now you're in the socialist democratic form of government.
. . .
What? You never learned about this in government approved educational institutions?
Pshaw.
Go read the law, available at any county courthouse law library.
If fraud was used to induce your consent, you have the right to denounce the fraud, and restore your endowed rights.
- - - as long as Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON is in force and effect, that is - - -

When the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC of AMERICA takes over, you can bet that the first thing they do is eradicate CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS and replace them with government granted CIVIL RIGHTS.
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Old 02-03-2022, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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If so which parts? If going to Mexico would it be better to stop there or go further down to South America and would it be better to go by a boat you can (ahem) acquire if you can find a working one or 'acquire' a small airplane and fly under the radar in remote areas if you know the basics of flying and land at a remote strip or non towered airport where only the sleeping dog is the guard and a single fence?

In the Canada scenario where would good and bad places be in terms of politics and geography and in favor of small towns that say NO,etc? I have lived in small towns my whole life so it's no big deal but it would be weird to live in a city!
If serious, why not move to a Red State, like Kansas? If it's not too big for you, maybe Topeka will still pay you up to $15,000 to move there.
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