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This is the best scenario. We have past the point of no return. The radicals are not going to change or respect the constitution. They control large parts of the North and the West. The union is done for like it or not. Peaceful separation is better than civil war.
Exactly how would that go? How would we separate the electric grid, the stock exchanges, the federal Capitol and representatives? Take a state like Georgia, where there is basically a 50/50 split. Who gives up their property? How would you compensate them? What about business owners? Who gets control over pipelines? Nuclear facilities? Military installations? Universities and colleges? Water supplies? How do we peacefully separate 330 million people, one of the most populated countries in the world? Since most industry and business is located in Blue cities, should all the industry be moved to the new area controlled by Democrats? Will the Red states bring back slavery and segregation? Will women be allowed to vote there? During and the separation period, what if China or Russia takes advantage and attacks? What if the split creates a brain drain for the other and there is clearly an economic imbalance? Would people be allowed to freely travel between new countries? If not, would there even be diplomatic interests of trade and military unity, given there will clearly be two areas with very different views about democracy?
Most states have some degree of this split. Who gives up their homes and land, their jobs? What about families with differing opinions? What about moderates, which is no small number of people? Actually moderates outnumber the left and the right.
Just curious how this could go and also, what kind of American patriot would ever think this was ok? Seriously, how could this work and how could one justify it and call themselves patriotic? Is this the answer from now on? And if we cannot ever learn to live with different viewpoints, wouldn't every split eventually lead to another split when inevitable differing opinions arise?
As much as I would like to think America can make it through anything in front of it, I must say I get tired of being optimistic at times. If there were a fair and peaceful way to do this, I do think it should be discussed if we are going to end up with a January 6th every 4 years. Even the most hopeful don't want to live amongst people who blame each other for everything wrong in their lives. It gets old.
In 1860, the United States had about 31 million residents. The Civil War was the bloodiest war to date. We have over 10 times this population now. There would not be one person not massively affected with loss if the U.S. split, either peacefully or with war. Think about what you ask for. If you get it, it may not look like you thought.
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Not as a whole. Any attempt would trigger a real civil war. It would require getting the military behind it without the military fragmenting. That's not happening.
We're in the middle of an attempt right now. Biden has at times acted as a dictator, specifically in regard to vaccine mandates.
Exactly how would that go? How would we separate the electric grid, the stock exchanges, the federal Capitol and representatives? Take a state like Georgia, where there is basically a 50/50 split. Who gives up their property? How would you compensate them? What about business owners? Who gets control over pipelines? Nuclear facilities? Military installations? Universities and colleges? Water supplies? How do we peacefully separate 330 million people, one of the most populated countries in the world? Since most industry and business is located in Blue cities, should all the industry be moved to the new area controlled by Democrats? Will the Red states bring back slavery and segregation? Will women be allowed to vote there? During and the separation period, what if China or Russia takes advantage and attacks? What if the split creates a brain drain for the other and there is clearly an economic imbalance? Would people be allowed to freely travel between new countries? If not, would there even be diplomatic interests of trade and military unity, given there will clearly be two areas with very different views about democracy?
Most states have some degree of this split. Who gives up their homes and land, their jobs? What about families with differing opinions? What about moderates, which is no small number of people? Actually moderates outnumber the left and the right.
Just curious how this could go and also, what kind of American patriot would ever think this was ok? Seriously, how could this work and how could one justify it and call themselves patriotic? Is this the answer from now on? And if we cannot ever learn to live with different viewpoints, wouldn't every split eventually lead to another split when inevitable differing opinions arise?
As much as I would like to think America can make it through anything in front of it, I must say I get tired of being optimistic at times. If there were a fair and peaceful way to do this, I do think it should be discussed if we are going to end up with a January 6th every 4 years. Even the most hopeful don't want to live amongst people who blame each other for everything wrong in their lives. It gets old.
In 1860, the United States had about 31 million residents. The Civil War was the bloodiest war to date. We have over 10 times this population now. There would not be one person not massively affected with loss if the U.S. split, either peacefully or with war. Think about what you ask for. If you get it, it may not look like you thought.
No one would give up anything.
You can stay where you are or sell your home to someone who wants to move to your state.
You can stay where you are or sell your home to someone who wants to move to your state.
Housing values would be dramatically affected by a split, making it difficult to maintain equity wealth if you live in the country with less demand because of the ideological split. Half of Georgia voters are Democrat and half are Republican (based on the last election). Why would 50% of Georgians (5.5 million people) stay in a state that did not represent their political interest? Isn't the point of splitting up the states to separate out those who wish to be among only those who think and vote like them? If not, why even split?
Maybe there could be some kind of home exchange.
What if you voted for Biden in 2020 but McCain in 2008? Would you have to choose which country to live in or would there be three countries, one for the left, one for the right and one for the middle?
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Do you think the United States of America will become a dictatorship before 2030?
It became a dictatorship before 2022.
In case you were wondering what the correct name for "governing the country via Executive Orders that don't support acts already passed by Congress" is.....
Good grief, what an utterly absurd viewpoint to the max. Just what far out crazy web site has made you think that? I want to see it for myself.
Don't be surprised if our electric grid goes down and the government takes complete control. They will stop at nothing to achieve complete power over us.
In other words, you firmly believe that China will launch a military invasion against the U. S. and make it communist by 2030?
The Democrats are pushing for socialism. I don't like Trump, but Biden is a disaster.
But Floorist, don't you know that we already have socialism in the United States for decades? So, tell me something. Haven't you heard of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Really, it's a matter of FACT that most conservatives in this forum what those government programs completely abolished, because they are based upon socialism. So, Floorist, please wake up and smell the coffee.
Liberals have shown they have no respect for the rule of law, The Constitution, or voting rights. These are the elements which have held us together as a Union for 250 years.
The only way to subvert the slide toward authoritarian socialism may be to break away from the liberals who seem to pine for such a form of government. Of course, the desires of liberals are a gross departure from historical norms in the US and seek to limit individual rights in favor of power ceded to the central government under the guise of "security".
The notions of liberalism and traditional American values, held by most Americans, are incompatible and will not be able to exist in one republic for long. When one group seeks to "fundamentally change", and thus remove many traditional individual rights Americans have enjoyed since its inception, we have reached a point of no return. The goals of totalitarian political beliefs are diametrically opposed to those of a democratic republic and the two systems cannot coexist for long.
It is definately approaching the time when we need to jettison liberal enclaves so that they can pursue their marxist objectives alone. No one begrudges the liberals thier right to embrace lunacy and seek to sacrifice individual liberties to a central government; the rest of us simply do not want to endure misery and deprivation as the result of other people's poor choices. Let the libs learn on their own the misery of marxism- the rest of us already know and don't need to personally experience that hell.
Just what are these traditional American values, though? To ban all homosexual acts and abortion for starters?
Just what are these traditional American values, though? To ban all homosexual acts and abortion for starters?
I was wondering the same. Can women work outside the home? Can they vote? What about interracial relationships? What if you are Catholic or Jewish. Do you have to be Evangelical? Are Black people allowed to vote? Is slavery a traditional American value? Is sex outside of marriage ok?
What does traditional American values mean?
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