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Old 07-06-2021, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Except if we "let it spread" we are exposing ourselves to the possibility of a breakthrough variant. Has it happened yet? No. Will it happen? No one knows for sure, but the virus is getting more contagious for non-vaccinated people so that should be concerning for non-vaccinated people at the very least.

I don't know if "more can be done". I hope so.
What do you mean by “ breakthrough”? A variant resistant to existing vaccines?

Given Covid mutates in every host, it seems only a matter of time.

The annual flu shot is reformulated every year based on projections of which strains will dominate. Sometimes it’s nailed. Other times, not so much. Occasionally, it’s so off that the shot is reformulated mid flu season.

Covid is not influenza.

 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:04 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Hospital in Springfield, Missouri, runs out of ventilators as COVID cases ravage the area

Worldometer: as of yesterday, Missouri leads the nation in the number of new COVID cases. Missouri's new case rate is 10.4 times higher than California on a per capita basis.

I do not wish ill upon Missouri or any other part of the country where people are resisting the vaccines.
It is my sincere wish that the 30% of the population who are anti-vax "see the light" and get vaccinated. Don't mess around with the Delta variant.

Protect yourself, protect your family, protect your neighbors, protect your country. Get vaccinated!
lol, now Democrats aren't even trying to make their fairy tales plausible

Straight up fabricating reality
 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:34 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Springfield has 167,000+ population and is the regional medical center for counties in the western Ozarks. It has two major hospitals for that region (not counting the Federal Bureau of Prisons hospital located there). The Republican dominated rural counties in that area are seeing serious daily reported cases in COVID up to an average of almost 50 per 100,000. The local health departments could not convince people to take the vaccine. Adjacent areas in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Kansas also have higher counts than other parts of the state. The forecast shows much the same pattern in the coming weeks. St. Louis and surrounding counties have daily counts less than 10 per 100,000. Missouri is reporting over 1,000 cases a day.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

This is practically a Darwinian effect lab experiment. The population in the Ozarks already has health challenges before this so there may be weakened immune responses that increase the infection and contagion rates. After the state government failed to act, voters approved a constitutional amendment to expand Medicaid in 2020. The GOP Legislature ignored the vote and refused to fund the expansion.

May, 2021: "Less than a year after Missouri voters approved a constitutional amendment expanding Medicaid coverage, Gov. Mike Parson (R) said Thursday he will drop plans to implement the expansion after legislators refused to provide funding."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...caid-expansion
 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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Hospital in Springfield, Missouri, runs out of ventilators as COVID cases ravage the area

Worldometer: as of yesterday, Missouri leads the nation in the number of new COVID cases. Missouri's new case rate is 10.4 times higher than California on a per capita basis.

I do not wish ill upon Missouri or any other part of the country where people are resisting the vaccines.
It is my sincere wish that the 30% of the population who are anti-vax "see the light" and get vaccinated. Don't mess around with the Delta variant.

Protect yourself, protect your family, protect your neighbors, protect your country. Get vaccinated!
Maybe if you'd stop constantly trying to sew discord and fear along political and racial lines there would be more interest in the vaccines from those groups?
 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:48 AM
 
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Sorry, your "bomb" was a dud and didn't go off. The fact that they ran out of ventilators and had to go find some is proof enough that the Delta variant is serious in Missouri.

What is it with conservatives and their constant denial of facts and reality? Climate change denial. COVID denial. Insurrection denial. Wah wah, if cons see something they don't like they pretend it's not there.
Your panic porn was BS.

Many hospitals don't keep a lot around, but there are reserves.

I provided a link saying everyone in Springfield got a ventilator on time. They brought them in on time from a short distance from elsewhere within the state. Many of the people on ventilators didn't have covid.


Everyone who has needed a ventilator during the pandemic has gotten one.

Stop your fear porn. Live in reality. You are hypocritical to speak of denying reality as you push panic porn and deny insurrection of BLM and antifa.
 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:51 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Your panic porn was BS.

Many hospitals don't keep a lot around, but there are reserves.
Of course it's BS. Ventilators don't even save COVID patients, they just give them permanent lung damage (the 10% that survive after being put on them).
 
Old 07-06-2021, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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That "fraction" of 1% grows when there are no ventilators.

I mean, that's pretty basic.
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Oh let's add ventilator panic now!

Remember that was a big story last year to drum up the hysteria?

Well done!
the 1 hospital noted already has more ventilators.
 
Old 07-06-2021, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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The vaccine protected 64% of inoculated people from infection during an outbreak of the Delta variant, down from 94% before, according to Israel’s Health Ministry.
No, this isn't actually what effectiveness means. Even the news stories get it wrong sometimes. It doesn't mean that 64% of vaxed people were protected. It means that the number of people infected was 64% less than what you would expect if no one were vaxed. If you'd expect 10% to get infected, then 10 out of 100 would get sick with no vaccine. If the vaccine is 94% effective, then only .6 would get infected. If the vaccine is 64% effective then 3.6 would get infected. Still much better than 10 out of 100. I wonder if more people would get vaxed if they understood this better.
 
Old 07-06-2021, 01:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Hospital in Springfield, Missouri, runs out of ventilators as COVID cases ravage the area

Worldometer: as of yesterday, Missouri leads the nation in the number of new COVID cases. Missouri's new case rate is 10.4 times higher than California on a per capita basis.

I do not wish ill upon Missouri or any other part of the country where people are resisting the vaccines.
It is my sincere wish that the 30% of the population who are anti-vax "see the light" and get vaccinated. Don't mess around with the Delta variant.

Protect yourself, protect your family, protect your neighbors, protect your country. Get vaccinated!
I am a physician in Mo. The "surge" is just in far southern Mo.

We are fine where I am at.

The cause of the increases? Far fewer vaccinated in those areas.
 
Old 07-06-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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https://www.kansascity.com/news/busi...252579068.html

When all else fails..scare them into submission.

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Running out of ventilators was the nightmare scenario hospital administrators across the country feared at the outset of the pandemic. COVID is a respiratory illness that, at its worst, can cause extreme respiratory distress.
Yet that nightmare scenario never materialized under Trump. Yet Biden is in office and within months we have a ventilator issue in an "under-vaccinated" Red State.

I do like how they slipped this in.

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He wrote that the hospital had 47 patients on ventilators, “a lot of those are COVID but not all.”
So out of 47 patients what is "a lot"?
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