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Old 06-01-2021, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The problem with conservatives is they're so afraid of change. Demographics change. Morals change. Beliefs change. Life expectations and goals change. Everything changes. All of human history proves this out. Adapt or die. This country is no longer the nation of white Christian nationalists. And there's absolutely not a damn thing wrong with that.
Then how do you explain the emergence of the Libertarian Party -- few of its membership would qualify as "Christian Nationalists".

The Religious right is a backwater of, and at times, a "captive embarrassment" to the overall Conservative movement. But they can be counted upon not to buy into the snake oil peddled by the Left.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:43 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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The problem with conservatives is they're so afraid of change. Demographics change. Morals change. Beliefs change. Life expectations and goals change. Everything changes. All of human history proves this out. Adapt or die. This country is no longer the nation of white christian nationalists. And there's absolutely not a damn thing wrong with that.
I don't know.

I saw some polling recently and it in effect said that many democrats think things are going too far to the left these days. I wished I could remember where it was.

I think the country is more white, Christian, and nationalist in nature than many in the coastal elite care to admit or realize.

You are right, things change over time. I think time will tell.

I don't consider myself conservative or Christian but I tend to be pretty liberal on social issues and more moderate to conservative on fiscal issues.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:50 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The problem with conservatives is they're so afraid of change. Demographics change. Morals change. Beliefs change. Life expectations and goals change. Everything changes. All of human history proves this out. Adapt or die. This country is no longer the nation of white christian nationalists. And there's absolutely not a damn thing wrong with that.
Outright lie.
  • Gravity does not change.
  • A strong 2-parent unit as the biggest predictor of child life success does not change
  • Dominantly biologically wired male and female sexes & genders do not change.

Although the left is trying very hard to convince you up is down, single motherhood is fantastic, and men can have babies.

Face it, you've gone mentally insane and you can't handle it
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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The problem with conservatives is they're so afraid of change.

Guilty as charged!!!!! We believe in the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:11 PM
 
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honest question:

How can it be fantasy to doubt 2020 if after 2016 you spent 4 years on Russian Hacking conspiracy theories and did not for one second accept Trump as legitimate president?
Members of the Trump campaign actively worked with the Russian government with the goal to win the election. That much is known and has been laid out in the Mueller report and the Republican led Senate investigation of Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

2020 has had zero proof so far that there was a coordinated campaign from the Democrats to cheat. We have had Republican SOS attest to no wide spread fraud. We have had GOP Governors attest that there was no wide spread fraud. Bill Barr told us that the justice department didn't see anything. You want me to believe Sydney Powell and Rudy G over those people?
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Then how do you explain the emergence of the Libertarian Party -- few of its membership would qualify as "Christian Nationalists".

The Religious right is a backwater of, and at times, a "captive embarrassment" to the overall Conservative movement. But they can be counted upon not to buy into the snake oil peddled by the Left.
Yep...I'll take an alliance with the religious right and their reefer madness over woke culture and manufactured racism by the party who wants a socialist dictatorship. Yes things change but some cultural values are worth preserving. In my opinion the nuclear family handily beat out this anything goes sexually liberated culture in levels of overall happiness.

Chafing long term goals almost always beats short term thrills and hedonism.
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Old 06-01-2021, 03:14 PM
 
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Feel better now that you've got the "I hate the Left" whine off your chest?

The Right OTOH lives by such a GREAT moral code prompting them to do such things as actively seek to suppress certain groups of voters, claim a stolen election despite NO evidence supporting that claim, an attempted insurrection, refusal to seek the facts about that insurrection, etc., etc., etc..

Just
Like the two impeachments with no evidence?

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Old 06-01-2021, 03:20 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Members of the Trump campaign actively worked with the Russian government with the goal to win the election. That much is known and has been laid out in the Mueller report and the Republican led Senate investigation of Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
You realize that has been thoroughly debunked, right? Trump was legitimately elected in 2016 and yet here you are in 2020 denying it and saying that Biden 100% won for sure with no irregularities

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2020 has had zero proof so far that there was a coordinated campaign from the Democrats to cheat. We have had Republican SOS attest to no wide spread fraud. We have had GOP Governors attest that there was no wide spread fraud. Bill Barr told us that the justice department didn't see anything. You want me to believe Sydney Powell and Rudy G over those people?
Then why the massive resistance to any audits? We had governors in swing states putting into laws (against their own state constitutional procedures) that allowed for mass mail in ballots, eliminated signature verification, and sent one ballot to every single potential voter in the entire state without asking.

You don't think it's reasonable to question this?

Even after 4 years of what you just did?

Sorry but you're just not an honest person if you believe this
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Old 06-01-2021, 03:25 PM
 
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It's no secret to anyone here why society is where it's currently at. The people posting here are politically savvy enough to understand the subversion that's taken place, even if they won't admit it. This is an appeal to those who recognize that America, even with all its imperfections, is still the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen.

The Left has seen success for one reason, and one reason only. Tenacity. Other factors certainly helped, but their willingness to keep at the game - to live it, not just play it - is why an evolved version of a plan hatched over a century ago is nearing completion today.

They're goal oriented and organized. Their strategy is long term, and they're willing to put the effort in without a guaranteed result. They understand branding and marketing. They've taken over the media and communications, so they're able to control dissent.

They have no moral code to live by, so the barriers keeping honest people from cheating don't exist for this group. Think about how that changes the game. How do you beat an opponent who's willing to cheat and can get away with it?

Short of Democrats acknowledging that their party has been taken over and purging that ideology from every aspect of their existence (which we know won't happen), there's only one alternative to settling this division with violence. It's time for the people who care about the ideas and principles our country was founded on to stand up for them, in every conceivable way.

The Left is winning because they live the game. We have to start doing the same. We'll never undo the damage they've done, if we're not willing to work at least as hard as they did to create it.

Shift the vast majority if your political energy from national races/issues to governments closer to home. That's step one.

Get extremely familiar with your local, county and state governments. A lot of effort is spent on keeping us focused on national politics, but it's local politics which not only affects your life the most, but is also where national candidates start out. Riots were able to continue unabated all last year because local elected officials permitted it to happen. This fight is local.

Run for office, if you can. Ignore "want." If you can do something to bring principled governance back to your area, or to improve what's there already, do it. Our republican form of government is "of the People." That's you. Get involved.

If you can't run for office, get involved in other ways. From PTA meetings to city council meetings to debates between candidates for dog catcher, get involved. Get to know the elected and appointed positions in your governments, who's currently filling them and who wants the job. Obviously, don't trust what they say, and research their background. If you see anything questionable, challenge them about it. If you catch a bunch of flack, it means you're over the target - push harder.

If our country can be saved, we have very, very little time left. Debating online is a great way to spend a lot of time doing nothing about it. Get to work.
Kellyanne Conway's real job is to take over the country one school board and city council at a time. The National Policy Council has been at it for years. They have been very successful.
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Old 06-01-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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Members of the Trump campaign actively worked with the Russian government with the goal to win the election. That much is known and has been laid out in the Mueller report and the Republican led Senate investigation of Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

2020 has had zero proof so far that there was a coordinated campaign from the Democrats to cheat. We have had Republican SOS attest to no wide spread fraud. We have had GOP Governors attest that there was no wide spread fraud. Bill Barr told us that the justice department didn't see anything. You want me to believe Sydney Powell and Rudy G over those people?
And nobody ever read the instructions for Mueller, what he could and could not do. It is revealing. The expectation of the public and talking heads was nothing at all what he was permitted to do. And a Republican senate committee investigated and said there was collusion with Russia. That was ignored.
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