Texas and Florida Governors Demand prison for marijuana use (insurance, biased, voters)

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by kreeyax

Times are changing. I know a lot of Republicans who are pro marijuana, especially younger ones. It's just a matter of time here in Texas. Hopefully we'll see it on the ballot in the next few years.

Yeah, Texas might beat Oklahoma to legalizing rec marijuana. From Oklahoma having the most liberal medical marijuana program in the country, I'm sure Oklahoma Republican legislators think it's about the same as having legal rec marijuana. In 2018, state Republican legislators wanted as little as possible to do with getting it implemented by allowing the state health department to do everything as directed under infamous State Question 788 as approved by voters. So Republican legislators as well as the Republican governor decided not to hold a special legislative session to deal with it. The fact that an unusual number of incumbent Republican state legislators got thrown out of office during the June 2018 primary, the same time when legal medical marijuana was voted on and approved, helps explain how Republicans reacted. Respect the will of the voters from approving SQ788 or else face their consequences in November 2018.

Marijuana activists with petitions under a popup tent or two at the corner of NW Expressway and Meridian in OKC, the entrance to Hefner Lake Park, at it 24 hours a day played quite a legendary role in helping to get barely enough signatures for SQ788. Eventually Oklahoma City decided that corner was subject to the Hefner Lake Park curfew and activists were no longer allowed to get signatures 24 hours a day. I worked there a few afternoons by holding a sign along NW Expressway as well as taking signatures under the tents. It was quite an unforgettable way to help make Oklahoma history.

Tulsa got in quite a few signatures as well. One of the activists who spent night and day getting signatures at NW Expressway and Meridian in OKC now works at a med marijuana dispensary in Tulsa.

Rural Oklahomans are quite strongly opposed to legal rec marihuana. Urban Oklahoma marijuana activists were just barely able to find enough volunteer signature takers to get the required number of signatures for a petition to vote on legalizing medical marijuana in 2018 under SQ788. So I can't help but wonder if enough signature takers can be found to vote on legalizing rec marijuana in Oklahoma, especially if it is for a state constitutional change. Going, instead, for a state statute change as was the case with SQ788 is the best hope. It requires considerably fewer signatures.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by bertwrench

Smoking pot kills brain cells, coffee does not. I'm sure we all know the regular pot smoker who after a couple of years was obvious he/she was not as bright. Heck, I know people who admit they can't think well after smoking pot for a couple of years. Not to mention the damage it does to lungs.

Smoking pot does not kill brain cells. Alcohol does more damage than pot to the brain cells, yet it's quite legal. A lot of people are worried they have a friend or relative who is drinking too much. I don't know of anybody I'm worried about from smoking too much pot.

Health nut Gary Null will tell you that drinking coffee isn't good for you.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

WRONG. It's already been determined years ago in studies conducted by the federal government that cigarettes cause more harm, such as lung cancer, than smoking marijuana. Marijuana has fewer chemicals in it than cigarettes. For starters, ever heard of nicotine being in cigarettes?

The best thing about this, it shows that health/safety is NOT their concern...cigarettes are FAR more dangerous and deadly than Marijuana...but for petes sake, they are sold almost everywhere, even most drug store chains and grocery stores STILL sell cigarettes!!! (that blows my mind...in 2021, these 2 businesses STILL sell cigarettes!!!)



If they restrict access to marijuana...and claim its due to health concerns, they must also treat cigarettes the same way or more restrictive

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Spartacus713

Merle Haggard has a message for you guys:

Ha, have you been to Muskogee before? It's a big rundown Oklahoma town losing population and going nowhere. Nobody wants to move there. Many people don't want to stay there. Good lord, who knows how many people there love to indulge in drugs besides marijuana?

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

it was the democrat controlled congress, and FDR...those guys were certainly liberal




William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) (Democrat) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.



In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.




Harry J. Anslinger, was appointed to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs by FDR and approved by the democrat controlled congress


A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

In the 1930s, people were very naïve; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees.


In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.

…POT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE LIBERAL BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!

So I guess President Nixon was a Republican liberal. He didn't want marijuana legalized even though he was advised it should only be decriminalized at most.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

All this talk about the 1930s and 1960s is of little use to me. It is 2021. Marijuana should be legal at this point. End of story.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

And you know something? Back in the 1920s, I bet 80% or more would have been "pro tobacco smoking." Nearly everyone smoked. Times and opinions change when medical facts about health risks come out. I was young, but alive in the 1960s and early 1970s when most people still denied that smoking cigarettes was bad for you, even though the statistics were there. They were either ignored or suppressed by "popular culture" at the time.

Flash to today. Medical evidence and statistics are there showing smoking pot is far worse for you than smoking tobacco as far as lung issues and general health risks. But we are in the phase where "pop culture" conveniently ignores that because they are on a crusade right now. The same kind of crusade pop culture was on with smoking cigarettes back in the 1920s. It was a HUGE deal that women finally had the "freedom" to smoke cigarettes... health issues or not. When pot is legalized, it's going to be a big deal that everyone has the freedom to smoke pot... health risks or not.

Good lord, ChrisC you are so all out WRONG. that it's just pitiful No doubt you are quite fully ignorant of a long term government study funded by anti marijuana interests that determined smoking marijuana does not cause lung cancer or other cancers when compared to smoking cigarettes.

Further more, ChrisC, when the government came out in the mid 1960s with findings that smoking cigarettes can cause lung cancer, who knows how many school teachers took time out with their students pointing that out and urging them not to take up smoking?

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

it was the liberals that made cannabis illegal in 1937

The marijuana tax act had broad bi-partisan support. Roosevelt did sign it into law. Not accurate to say the liberals made it illegal. But instead of focusing on bad legislation 80 years ago how about you explain why the GOP in congress are fighting to keep it illegal today? I am not a fan of most democrat ideals but they are on the right side of marijuana today.

[CrowGirl]

Marijuana legalization is one subject that truly could be bipartisan. The intransigence of "red" states on this point seems to point to the deference they pay to the evangelical wing of the party. This really is a point that transcends the aisle.